nf1263: okay right so moving on from the last few weeks where i've been talking about other empirical work that relates to either navigation or things like that so in previous weeks i've talked about either usability studies which sort of check out individual products or er evaluations doing analyses that sort of thing and research into different types of navigation and last week presentation this one's going to focus very much on reading from screen okay and the model for the the second half of it that's the time show you what i mean by the second half the model for this part is definitely legibility studies so if you can recall the sort of things that you might have read about in the first year in terms of er legibility of print then this is the the equivalent in a way although it takes a slightly different form and i'm going to start off by er sort of putting the bigger picture and also describing what was researched in the nineteen-eighties and that tended to be making a comparison between reading from screen and reading from paper er the second part is just reading from screen and apologies because these case studies in reading from screen are my own work the reason being 'cause not very much has been done er it's a shame about that okay so looking at reading from screen compared with reading from paper right first it's useful to really remind ourselves about what the basic differences are and that they are fairly obvious er but they're listed here and i'll go through them and they're here also because some research in the nineteen-eighties was essentially trying to find out what might be what might account for the differences that there are between reading from screen and reading from paper so to pre-empt the the results essentially you read slower from screen and so a group of researchers based at I-B-M wanted to find out what could it be that is different about a screen compared with a piece of paper reading from print that might be responsible for these differences so why is it harder to read from screen so what we know are are different is the orientation because screens are most of the time upright in front of us whereas paper can be held like that but a lot of the time it will be down on the table so there's the orientation difference er the visual angle is different that's measuring from the text or whatever on the screen or on paper and how far we sit away from that and measuring that angle we tend to sit further away from screen than we do from from paper er and therefore the visual angle's different so that might be a possibility the aspect ratio is different in other words most screens tend to be it's true of this one landscape rather than protrait er that's that's generalizing and talking about the average sort of screen so you'll have a wide screen but it won't be particularly deep so there's a difference and we've got difference that re-, that relate to how the er how the text how the pixels are put onto the screen that's the dynamics so that the screen is refreshed rather than having something sort of solid in front of you on paper and you get flicker with screen er the image polarity now that's less the case now a difference it's less likely to be different now when we read from screen than print but it used to be the case that there were all sorts of colours i suppose used on screen so now we're m-, more likely to see black text on a white background on screen just like we have in print but people tried white text on a black background and green text on a black background er as i say now it's more likely that we're we're reading the same because they did find that black on white is better and then we've got all sorts of typographic characteristics that that might that once in the nineteen-eighties were different on screen compared with print so actually what these researchers did was to look at each particular variable or each particular difference and to try and isolate whether that one was the one that was responsible for it being more difficult to read from screen and they found out that none of them seem to account for it er but when you put them all together then there is this this problem so they couldn't actually say what it was in particular that accounted for that and it's er just like yeah namex you said that last week didn't you when you put lots of things together it improves the design but thing individually those things might not make a difference it's sort of the same thing in reverse you remember you do [laughter] right along the bottom here there is er this this is going back to Jakob Nielsen who i've mentioned quite a few times he has this sort of column i suppose called Alert Box it's it's quite an interesting thing to read so i would just recommend er casting your eye over that so you'd be able to get to that from the web pages it's just quite a good reference it feels sort of a bit naive in relation to print the first part of it but as you get lower down it's really pointing out some of the differences which is a think there's some useful things just to to remind you so that might be worth following up okay so the conclusions of this were and and should repeat it was in the n-, late nineteen-eighties so we were talking about different sorts of screens to the sorts of screens we have now but you can't find a single factor responsible and if if the quality is improved there there ought to be smaller differences between reading from screen and from print right so if we move on to some of the research that's been done that has compared how we read from screen er or the outcomes when we read from screen compared with paper people have divided up the way in which you measure this into two categories and these are outcome measures and process measures so i'll start with the outcome measures i suspect this is all terribly familiar to you namex isn't it 'cause you've done an essay on this yeah there's a review article by Andrew Dillon that i just noticed just now is not on your reading list but it's a good one that does actually summarize all of this what i've put on your reading list is the book that er is much more comprehensive so right so this er these are sort of summaries of or bringing together er the various studies that have been done and it seemed to be the case that all the research that was done initially er in relation to reading from screen were making comparisons with print it seemed that that was the only interest you know why is it different let's always make this comparison so most of the studies that were done found that people read more slowly from screen than they do from paper or from print and it's about twenty to thirty per cent slower so that's that's reasonably substantial er there were or there was an odd study er as in the case of just one study it wasn't particularly odd er that found that reading speed wasn't affected so there wasn't a difference between print and between and screen and it was in in bringing them together and seeing that this particular study was different it's probably the case that the texts were too short because if you don't give a long enough time period for people to read then you're not actually going to pull out these differences so i would say it's a pretty reliable finding that we read slower from screen terms of accuracy one of the ways that you can see there the accuracy is measured is by giving a proofreading task which is a different type of accuracy to saying well can you acculatery accurately remember what you've read er it is obviously looking for errors on screen and those studies found that it you weren't people weren't finding it more difficult to proofread from screen than from paper and i don't know about you but that seems to me a rather surprising finding because how many times do you look at something on screen print it out and then find that there are typos now either we don't put the same sort of attention into checking on screen or it is more difficult now i i'm not saying that that study is er that there's anything wrong with that study er the result still or the results still stand but i suspect that the particular task wasn't sensitive enough to pick out the differences that i think are probably there sm1264: all of them the results were so dependent on the task nf1263: yeah sm1264: some of them require them to read the screen and then write an essay on it nf1263: yeah sm1264: and the task and that will be dependent on the person's er ability to write an essay you see and have different results just from that nf1263: you mean they didn't compare that with them reading from print and writing an essay they just sm1264: yeah they did it both ways but often the tasks in the experiments were completely different from each other so it really depended on individual's ability nf1263: yeah sm1264: ability of the task as well nf1263: yes right so maybe the the the tasks are questionable then in themselves they're sm1264: that's the er thing i think in that they found the tasks were more nf1263: yeah sm1264: problems nf1263: yeah can sf1265: i think also you find that er when you if you're on you know you're on screen people rely on the spellchecker nf1263: that's true sf1265: to for everything whereas they actually and it's only when you've got it you know in your hand reading it that you realize you haven't covered all the you know grammar 'cause they don't they can't pick it up all the time with spellcheckers nf1263: yeah so that suggests that there's probably both things going on we're not necessarily trying so hard i mean maybe sf1265: lets you think the spellchecker will pick it up nf1263: because we think it pick it up but maybe also i mean the main thing is that the resolution is poorer isn't it and so it's it's harder i would say that has to make it slightly harder to read and because of that er i suspect there's there's an influence so if we get to screens of six-hundred dots per inch then maybe we would expect not to have the problems but we would still have them if say we we're relying on er on automatic checks that aren't going to be infallible you know yeah so i i it's also 'cause we mentioned fatigue as well y- , it's also the case i would i mean i would feel that it's it is more tiring reading for a long time on screen but can you put people in an experiment and try and simulate the sort of natural tasks i'm not sure that you can so er so there's suggestions there that if you carry on reading for longer maybe there are er fatiguing effects and if you have a demanding task then you're less accurate but er who knows so those are are outcome measures because they're measuring sort of performance how quickly you do something or whether it's got there are errors or things like that think i've got a few more yeah continue with the outcome measures another outcome measure is whether you can recall and understand what you've read and again the studies have shown that there isn't a difference so we're equally as good at understanding what we've read on screen and on paper according to that but there is always in this sort of work the possibility that we trade-off how quickly we read with how well we take it in this is the speed-accuracy trade- off so that for example we might decide to slow down our reading from screen to make sure that we take it all in because we're going to be asked questions afterwards or if we speed up reading we might actually get worse in terms of comprehension so it's important in in sort of assessing whether something is legible i suppose we're saying i-, is it is the screen legible but you you bring you take into account not only how quickly you read but whether people also understand what they've read and that's true of all legibility research and then people were asked for preferences and this is where in a a very strange sort of experiment it seems to be the the outcome is that if you use high quality you've got high quality screens high quality paper then no preference but people were preferring paper because it was a higher quality er output so don't think that's surprising at all that says nothing about the differences between screen and paper just a preference for higher quality higher resolution right so the other comparisons are the the process measures and we've got fewer of those these are harder to measure but it's as it sounds you're they're looking at how people are doing something rather than what the end result of that doing is so as you probably recall eye movement studies have been done for reading print looking at er how big the the saccades are the the way wh-, when we jump from one part of a word to another part er how long we fixate for whether we need to go back if we've missed something er so those sorts of studies have been done for reading from screen as well but not found a a big difference er i suspect i wouldn't have predicted that because i s-, i guess we're so practised at reading print that this sort of automatic process will er take effect from reading from screen as well but that's my guess looks like there's no differences there er and then some fairly obvious things the manipulation is less direct that's really just pointing out what we know anyway that when you've got paper you turn over a page by er sort of picking it up or whatever whereas we've got the mouse as the intervening variable or the keyboard or whatever that's in between us and the action taking effect er but basically if the appropriate tools are there then there's not a particular problem and i guess we're getting past the time when er you come across people well when you come across a lot of people that aren't able to to use a mouse i mean i i-, y-, don't have to go back too far in teaching in this department to have people not able initially to use a mouse but i don't think we're going to get that sort of thing any more er but actually in the experiments that i'm going to describe in just a moment we didn't use the mouse because we wanted to have someone come in to do our experiment and not have to say well you know when you move this up the cursor will go up sort of thing so we only let people use the keyboard 'cause there is that initial learning do any of you remember when you first used a mouse what it felt like [laughter] sf1266: nf1263: did you have any trouble did you 'cause some people are er are sort of like this yeah when they s-, first start because because you don't realize you can if you get to the edge of the table you can pick the mouse up and put it back where it was and still go down again you don't have to have the same amount of movement as as you have on the screen none of you did that did you i don't know i've seen quite a lot of people doing that you're all very quiet as well [laughter] er and then finally what i've talked about quite a lot is the is the navigation that it's more complicated than in in books we've got i suppose more things that we can do moving forwards backwards previous pages and things like that and we might get lost so those are just sort of summarizing some of the the main differences okay so those that is what people were interested in making the comparisons between reading from screen and reading from print this is moving into the second section which i-, are it's basically two case studies of reading from screen er so i decided that i didn't want to compare reading print and reading from stree-, screen because i didn't actually see the point of that because yes you find it's different but really it seems to me what we want to do is to find out how we can make it better or easier for us to read from screen rather than worry about how it's different from print and as i said at the beginning there wasn't or there still isn't very much done on typographic variables or things that i would call typographic in relation to to reading from screen so we've got all this stuff on the legibility of print admittedly a lot of it done by Tinker and coworkers but there's not the volume that's of research for for reading from screen and so you have to think about why and i suppose one obvious reason is that it's more recent and so maybe there hasn't been time for people to do the research or maybe people think well we know it all because we've got the the legibility of print research so we'll just use that or maybe people get er frustrated by the fact that screens are changing and so they think well what's the point of doing this research because in five years time it'll be obsolete because there'll be a different screen and certainly the the s-, some of the stuff that has been done again from the nineteen-eighties early nineties doesn't use d-, the same sort of screens as we have now so you do think well is it is that useless because it's a different sort of screen or i've got one more up my sleeve as to why people don't do this sort of research people don't think typography is important coming back to our theme of last week but is it this is a variation on it because people that work on computer stuff or human-computer interaction stuff tend not to be typographers they're not okay so they might be computer scientists or they might be psychologists or whoever and i do have some evidence that they they don't really think that the sort of factors that we're interested in i hope like let's say line length 'cause that's what we're going to be talking about they sort of think well yes so what er so this is sort of the same theme as last week so you're not going to find people that are going to put together it seems to me the typography with the the screen stuff so i should say well great that's lucky because i'm doing that and there's not many many more people doing it but when people say the sort of so what it's a bit disheartening well that's enough of the preamble though so i wanted to find out really er answers to questions about the legibility of text on screen and i phrased the first question in a fairly general way by saying what amount of text really is best for maximum legibility and that's 'cause i'm talking about layout but i'm talking about things like the line length or the number of columns so there is a different volume of text on screen if you've got a long line length as compared to a short one now i know you know what line lengths look like but i will be showing you the material in a bit so that was the first question and that was combined with er what i've called method of movement or the person i worked with called and all of that is either scrollling going down line by line through the text or paging which is going from one screenful of text pressing a button and getting a second screenful so it's equivalent to turning over the page yeah so you don't gradually scroll through so those two things er were varied and i looked at in the first experiments that i did right so what was i measuring and basically i was trying to measure lots of things because as i sort of mentioned last week it can be very difficult to find any differences so if you have quite a broad spectrum of er measures then you hope that somewhere something will come out of it and i wouldn't dream of comparing typefaces 'cause i don't think anything would come out of it so got people to read from screen and timed how long it took them to silently read from screen and the way that we did that was basically the the computer started the clock at the beginning and when they got to the end it stopped the clock so i didn't even have to sort of sit there and watch them i checked their comprehension and i wouldn't say i tested their comprehension because it was not a particularly sensitive way to measure comprehension what i did was er borrowing from some other people i asked or i put a set of questions and said could you answer these questions from what you've read so they didn't have to answer them but they could they just had to say yes or no so there would be a question like you know did Fred fall down the hill now if that had been included in what they had read then they could say yes i could answer that if it hadn't been they would say no now it might sound an extremely obscure way of of checking comprehension but the reason to do it this way is that is does check whether someone's read because if they get fifty per cent right then they're guessing so they haven't or they haven't taken it in properly and the other thing is that it's very easy to mark because if you ask the question er what did Fred do then you have to decide whether what someone answers is correct or not because they're not going to use exactly the right wording so it's essentially just easier to do this sort of thing sf1267: do they know they're being timed nf1263: yeah they did yeah yeah that's a good point to make though i think we sort of said they also knew they had to answer questions so that th-, you got to think are they going to speed through or and think that's more important or or sort of or try and make sure they understood the questions no could answer the questions er the other thing we did i've called it record of keystrokes was again the computer sort of recorded how they moved through the document so we took the mouse away and they had to use the cursor keys so you go down with the pointer and and back up with the pointer and every time they pressed a key there was a record of when they pressed it and the fact that they had pressed it so what you can map out is whether someone is scrolling through fairly slowly so perhaps moving a little bit reading a little bit moving a little bit or perhaps whether they're reading a whole screenful and then scrolling through a whole screenful for the page pages that's not particularly interesting but it is for the scrolling you can't tell when someone is reading but you can tell when they're not scrolling and you might guess that they're probably reading if if they're not scrolling 'cause otherwise they'd just be looking out the window which is a possibility of course we can't help that and then finally we we got the s-, the s-, in a sense the preference although that wasn't quite the question but after they'd done the reading er then they were shown pairs of things they'd read and said which do you think is easiest to read and they get all of the combinations of pairs so you might think that they would base that on their feelings about having read it or maybe they'd just base it on what they s-, th-, see in front of them but certainly they had experienced the reading at that point so these these are sort of methods for for this lot of work so first one looking at line length and trying to show you what it looks like this is the shortest line length you'll be pleased to hear and i can't simulate it exactly 'cause i don't know how to get rid of the two er menus at the top but essentially there were no menus at all so you've got er a screen that only has the text on it and it was in this typeface and the paragraphs were like this so this is approximately twenty-five characters per line the narrowest and i can't also ca-, show you the scro-, the er the paging but if you were scrolling mm then you would go down line by line and then when you got to the bottom it would start to to move up but in fact in the paged version it would jump from the top to the bottom so this one's the narrow one there were six line lengths i'm so i'm showing you the narrowest one vaguely in the middle oh that's if i can find it er right that's twenty-five the one in the middle and then i'll show you the the the extreme one the longest line length so that's fifty-five characters per line so you're probably feeling a bit more comfortable with this one er and then the the widest one which essentially was done to fill the whole screen okay so if we get back right so there were six line lengths and they could either be in a scrolling version or in er a paged version and did you expect this that the one that was read the fastest was that one that filled the screen one-hundred characters per line i didn't er to be fair er although it was read it was the fastest i think if you 'cause you know a little bit about statistics it was only significantly different from the very narrowest one so er but it was still if you looked at at looked right across the six of them it was the the fastest one so i've thought ah well maybe i've got something here er but when people making their judgements about what's easiest to read they did not consider that the easiest to read they thought it was the least easiest to read so they probably had the sort of reaction that you would have i think that er that really looks quite overwhelming er the check on comprehension ju-, didn't show any differences because of course there is the possibility of this speed-accuracy trade-off you see a screen full of text and you think ergh i'm just going to try and get through that ge-, er and then you you don't actually take it in but it appeared not to be the case er now needless to say you know sort of colleagues didn't think this was the result that i should find or it's the sort of thing that you think know can you really go around recommending these long line lengths on screen certainly before i did this research i was giving tutorials saying use quite short line lengths on screen probably shorter than in print because it's more difficult to read from the screen er so you look for reasons why you might get something like this was there something about the experiment and if you can i won't go back to it but if you can think back to that narrow line length there was a screen the screen was all white the background was white and certainly some of the people found it quite glaring so there might have been a problem with line lengths that don't fill the screen because it's bright and it's glaring so we changed to grey and just to show you as an image of what that looked like rather than the actual screen so now we've just got the background as grey and didn't go through all six line lengths just went through the twenty-five the s-, the shortest the middle and the longest and er well it got a bit more blurry er now er not the screen the results got er got blurred er and it wasn't so obvious that this long line length was speeding people up what was certainly obvious and it again is logically the case anyway is that if you've got a very narrow line length you've got to scroll down sort of screens and screens for the same length as document if if you've got a wide line length you've only got a few screenfuls so it's actually quicker mechnically to get through er a short fat a sort of a wide er not particularly tall document so maybe that's all it it was i didn't think it was but that certainly was contributing having to scroll through a long document right it sort of that never became totally clear but i moved on to something related although not exactly the same which was to compare columns of text because and i forgot to mention this bit earlier this work was funded by Microsoft Corporation because they really wanted to find out about how people read from screen or rather what's er useful layouts and so on and so forth and i know last week we talked about sort of who does experiments influencing er the results but fortunately they there was no way in which they they influenced these 'cause they couldn't really except to say the sort of things they were interested in looking at and about this time which was probably about five years ago er they were starting an online magazine web magazine called Slate and they were interested in whether to use single columns or multiple columns for that now my my view is that you can't put text on screen in three columns and have it scrolling er now i know thi-, this is true on the web but if you think about what you're having to do then you're having to read down scroll down get to the bottom of a column scroll back up come down again scroll back up so my reckoning having three columns it's got to be in a paged format you've got to be able to read what's on screen and then get the next page as such the next screenful sm1268: can you not have three columns and just wait for them nf1263: you wa-, right yeah [laughter] the trouble is i'm ass-, i'm assuming that everyone has the same size screen of course because if you've got a tiny one you're going to have to scroll down anyway but that was where i started from that three columns has got to be paged since i was comparing it with a single column i then compared it with that column being scrolled or being paged so that finds out whether it's scrolling that's causing something or whether it's the columns er right show you the sort of size that i was working with so there gone back to the the grey surround er and the three columns yeah so for those that you probably did all get it by then i i think you can't sort of carry on having to scroll down and come back up here so you do all three and then you press somethng and you get another screenful and the single column was about eighty characters per line so we're probably talking yeah it covered the same sort of area it's a pretty pretty long line again right so what we found there was that the the it was the single column the fairly long line length that was read fastest faster than three columns er and it was faster in paged because i think you basically it's faster because you haven't got to scroll so you just save time on having to do that mechanical thing but we happened to be recording how old p-, our participants were and most of them were within this age range we didn't take exact ages within the age range eighteen to twenty-four because we recruited from within the university but we did have some that were twenty-five plus [exclamation] and they showed a different pattern or rather the the younger ones the eighteen to twenty-four year olds were showing this this pattern and not everyone else so why is it that a particular age group should read a single column faster than than everyone else basically so everyone else didn't show a difference between everyone else being the older people didn't show a difference between three columns and a single column but eighteen to two-, twenty-four year olds did i've only had i've i've made one guess at this but i i've you're eighteen to twenty-four year olds aren't you mostly does anyone squeeze out the top sm1269: so what's your guess nf1263: my guess is that they were more used to reading web pages and that the the text could have looked pretty similar to that and not in three columns sm1270: were they eighteen to twenty-four year olds nf1263: eigh-, twenty-four four year olds were more used to than the older people yeah and so it was kind of a sm1270: well nf1263: familar-, familiarity thing sm1270: and they read less newspapers nf1263: yeah d-, if it if it does generalize from print yeah you would think that the column thing would come out yeah it it sligh-, gets slightly more complicated er no i haven't put it on an overhead but if you if you also what i did was to divide the group into faster and slower readers basically just because you've got the times and looked at whether there were differences er there make sure i get this right 'cause it's complicated er faster readers were showing although generally there were no differences in comprehension faster readers were showing better comprehension when they were reading the three columns so the-, there's two funny things happening here there's an age differential and faster readers seem to be showing something a bit different to slower readers as well er now those were sort of indications and i i just put them in now because they did er feed in to what i went on to do after that but just to conclude this part before moving on to the second case study i would say that these together have suggested that longer line lengths may be okay on screen there is this problem that people are definitely saying well i don't think it's easier to read but they are reading them fairly fast and they don't apparently ap-, be reading them without taking in what they read because they appear to be able to to answer questions however my second point there may be different levels of comprehension i don't think what i wa-, the way i was measuring comprehension was particularly sensitive so my feeling is that maybe er with a long line length there's a possibility that they're they're skimming it because it's rather uncomfortable but i can't pick that up because of the way i'm testing it and i'm suggesting maybe different reading patterns according to age or according to how fast you read sort of from the last results there but what seems to be absolutely certain is that we can't say we've done all this research in print let's use those results we don't know what the optimum line length is for reading from screen my research hasn't shown it but my research has questioned that fifty-five characters or seventy characters the sort of thing that that comes out of print is the right line length for screen so we shouldn't rely on that er but the reason to go on with the next s-, sort of series of studies was c-, i suppose my uncomfortableness with this one-hundred characters per line and and reco-, and recommending that and also other people being uncomfortable other colleagues so my thoughts were that long line lengths can be read as far can be read as fast but they're perhaps that we definitely not perceived as easy to read so perhaps there is a problem with comprehension that's really just summarizing already and perhaps there's something happening with faster reading because we're finding some sort of differences there so what i went on to do was to essentially look at different reading rates so to get people to first of all read at their normal speed and then to try and speed them up er this is the fast reading rate and the way that we did that was essentially to train people to read faster than they do normally so we're not trying to get everyone to a certain reading speed but we tried to get people to a speed that was twice as fast as they normally read so get them to read something and then you say okay try reading the next document faster than that and you see how fast they read it and then say okay well try reading a bit faster than that if they haven't got up to twice the speed and what we found perhaps not too surprising it is very difficult to read at twice the speed that you normally read at if you're still trying to take in what you're reading so we actually stopped at allowing people to read at seventy seventy per cent faster not twice as fast sounds like it's more but they wouldn't have to speed up quite as much as that er still interested in line lengths 'cause i had some sort of idea that different line lengths might be more useful at different speeds and maybe it's handy to have a long line length when you read fast but it's not when you're reading at a normal speed something like that but because i thought well this comprehension thing isn't really working that i set out to measure comprehension in a different way and to try and to tease out perhaps different things that might be lost when you read fast so there were various different types of questions one referring to the title one to a main idea and i'll show you what those are it's probably easier than er course you don't know what the text is all about so this is slightly abstract here er multiple choice questions which believe me are incredibly hard to set because fair enough you can do the right answer but there's a real problem in getting two alternatives that are vaguely plausible so essentially these these two alternatives that are wrong have come from somewhere in the document so that people might be fooled by them so this was a document all about Monaco and casinos and stuff like that so you there's a qu-, one question which says which is the best title which i-, which is best fits the text so you've got to have got a sort of overview of what you've read to be able to answer that 'cause it doesn't exist within the document then there's a question that's a main idea so what the sort of gist is of the document er and Monaco is either dedicated to the principle of fabulous excess motor sport or strength in the continuity of the monarchy course you might be able to answer these without reading there's always a danger without reading the document structure question that's that's an important one because it came out very very badly and this is actually just asking the question as to what happened when or what happened before something else so what you've got to remember is the sequence of events in something that you've read so who does the autor author interview just before blah blah blah so these three people would have come up somewhere in that document then you've got incidental sort of detailed questions h-, er with some a number in that case er and there was also one that didn't refer to a number and then a main factual question which wasn't the main idea but was still something fairly major and then finally this is remembering precise wording so you have to say whether this precise wording was in something that you've read and the ones that weren't in there were taken from another part of the document so you've got the same writing style so what i hoped to find was well i thought this must be really sensitive so maybe people'll lose some of these things they wi-, won't be able to answer some of them but they will be able to answer others right so still found that short line lengths are read slower this had twenty-five fifty-five and one-hundred again so your very short your medium line length and your long line length but the long ones the long line length wasn't coming out much much better it was the same as the medium line length so i'm losing my my good effect of a long line length it just doesn't seem to be coming out in the same way as it did in the first experiment but there were differences in comprehension which was good because that was something that i hadn't found before so this was more sensitive and it's the middling line length that essentially is coming out better so comprehension's better and those line lengths are read reasonably fast er when people read fast as you might expect their comprehension is poorer so that that you want to find that because it makes sure that what you're you actually got a sensitive measuring instrument that was found and people recall less detail rather than the main facts so what goes is the detail but the one that i sort of mentioned just now for some reason people had much more difficulty with remembering where something came within the text the structure question than they did any of the other questions and that's regardless of how fast or or slow they were reading and again giving a stab at why this might happen all of this was scrolling text and i think i've referred to this before what you lose in scrolling text that you have in books is any cue to where something sits on a page so whereas in a book you might think oh yes that idea came on er a left page near the top you haven't got that sort of indication when you've got text that you just scroll through and maybe that somehow influences you recalling where certain things happened within the text that's one of those guesses that i haven't got any f-, more evidence for and the final thing that i was trying to do by looking at how people scrolled was to say well is there are there good ways of scrolling through text that either speed us up so we can read faster if we want to do that 'cause maybe we want to just skim read or are there other maybe the same methods or different methods that enable us to understand better so i was looking for the characteristics of effective readers an effective reader might be a fast reader or an effective reader might be someone that's good at understanding what they've read and maybe depending on the task you have different different demands maybe you want to read quickly or maybe you want to to study it more and get more out of it and there are different scrolling patterns that do match up but they are different depending on whether you want to read fast or understand i've just got the fast one here so those people that are reading fast were spending less time between scrolling so they were also making only a few scrolling movements so essentially they weren't pausing for very long to read they were keeping the text moving and that speeds up reading whereas people that showed better comprehension were sort of doing the opposite they were pausing for longer in between scrolling so what that might mean if i carry on and do some research is that you can manipulate how people scroll through text and see whether it does improve either their speed of reading or their comprehension because this doesn't do that that this just said says those readers that did that came out well it doesn't say that if if i ask you to do that then then you'll you'll come out well from that so in conclusion my always my conclusions are there's room for lots lots more research and what i can say definitely from this and it's probably the only thing is that i you cannot predict from print legibility research how people are going to read from screen and that ought to be obvious because we've got a more interactive way of reading we can manipulate the text in different ways but there seems to be something a bit more perhaps basic in relation to the lengths of lines that that affects how we read from screen okay