nm1088: thank you very much for all of you and CELTE members er for inviting as a visiting fellow er actually this is this is this is one of the er i mean the major event in my life actually [laughter] i have been learning i have been a learner of English for myself for more than twenty years agos-, er years or so but the i mean [sigh] you just don't learn anything until you just just see something yourself er i mean to the actually er the some of our some of our students er say at the graduation ceremony in my university says er to the dean actually er she actually er said to the dean that one of the happiest moment one of the most exciting one of the happiest moment of of my college life is in the CELTE [laughter] this is this is a a sort of the well i mean [laugh] to some er for for some point of view i mean this is a embarrassment to the dean because i mean [laughter] after all i mean she's just said something like very complimentary to the dean but i mean [laugh] this is a truth so er ever since i came here i began to see more and more far more point in er Professor er er namex namex or the professor namex is doing and i really thank you for inviting me and giving opportunity to stay here so er i k-, kept saying to myself that i sh-, maybe er no i mean i must do something for you i must do something for you because i just can't have the privilege of staying here and maybe i can do from the future but this is the one small thing that i can do is this is that the er to talk about the methodological er point er methodological point of view er for the er teacher er development nm1088: okay er i was er just a normal [laugh] [laughter] undergraduate student in Japan i was just quite happy with er er the coursework er but well er the privilege of er being a young man and a stupid person is [laugh] [laughter] to be ambitious and i began to look for something more deeper or scientific and then i became at the M-A course in M-A er areas sort of a semi- psycholinguist [laugh] and i just read er books on er psychology of reading et cetera but at some point some er moment i was so disillusioned actually er with the well maybe this is not a fair er remark for psychologists [laugh] but you see the more technical you get in psychology er the less point i mean less point i began to see in my work so i mean i began to think [laugh] and then if you think too much one pitfall is that you begin philosophy [laughter] and i became sort of this student oh i mean i'm not i haven't been a formal student i mean in a formal sense but i sort of the independent learner of er philosophy and then gradually over the years i what i began to summarize what i am doing as philosophical investigations in E-L-T [laugh] that's a very [laugh] ambitious topic but and the to be s-, more specific what i've been doing is that the er in one work i er took er Krashen's Monitor hypothis i in i s-, think i saw much point intuitively when Krashen says that consciousness er conscious lear-, conscious learning doesn't lead to acquisition or language use i saw much point and what i wanted to do was that to just see i mean to to rationalize his argument i mean just saying that well look i mean this this must be the truth b-, because we intuitively knows this is a truth is doesn't convince other people so er by er introducing Wittgenstein's philosophy of rule forming i tried to reconstruct er Krashen's Monitor Hypothesis but the paper is was written in Japanese and i mean the most papers if i mean in these days i used to write in English but i mean as i began philosophy i began to write in Japanese which is my native language or i did er i thought about er grammar teaching because after all i mean if you think simply if you teach rules and teach vocabulary students should produce a language i mean s-, students should be able to use the language but as we all a- , as we know this is not the case usually and i began to see why and i began to reconstruct again er why this that is so or i mean the more i hear about the er learner's experience in Japan or on the outside Japan well almost all er almost all learners say that imitation played a major role in their learning experience but what we often see in the textbook for er language er acquisition is that no i mean w-, imitation doesn't work er one famous example is that nobody doesn't like me and the correction comes nobody likes me ten times and then er you produce i mean er a learner produce the same result and obviously y-, we have Chomsky which is critical so critical about the imitation and but i mean it is like the throwing a baby with the hot i mean with the water so i began to er see some point in the imitation by Heidegger's epistemology or recently er i am involved in the er sort of the informal seminar called passagen seminar in Japan this is an informal er informal er association in Japan er teachers just gather because the mo-, their motivation is that they are not particularly happy with the academic preten-, presentations in their academic conferences nor they are particularly happy with the say er the the seminars are sponsored by the Ministry of Education because everything is can be very formal in there so i mean they just want er informal exchange of views and every time i attend there i see i mean i see a lot of wisdom produced by the experienced teachers they are not they may not be theoretical particularly but they i see much point when they someth-, they say something and er i began to see i i began to think that the my role as a sort of researcher is that to try to see er try to give theoretical framework to them and then we can cooperate as i mean together to for i mean to improve our our English education and also i am recently involved with a joint work called re-engineering and this is the another work i mean if you read comics of Dilbert or something like that i mean you should know [laughter] these sort of thing this is er sort of the well new i mean catchy word but i mean what i mean is that the er my point here is that if you try to be too scientific then you will get lost and for some people it is i mean i mean it is sometimes so hard to convince scientific oriented people [laugh] to sort of to convert their beliefs about that so i see my role as a sort of the er say er directing ourselves this is again too ambitious but again [laugh] since i am young and stupid so [laugh] maybe i have that er privilege so er er so what i am doing er my argument is mainly er normative by which i mean philosophical or theoretical and methodological so er here i have er this is the er home page that i have but unfortunately well er everything is done in i mean it's written in Japanese and er one thing er one er thing that i say to myself these days is that i mean now that i have yes this privilege of staying in a for-, in a in an English country i must have another er e-, er English home page and er maybe hopefully [laugh] i will have some er er English home page nm1088: today i will talk about studies in teacher under the title of er studies in teacher development a methodological viewpoint and the whole point is actually sum-, can be summarized as such and now this point i can say that's all but [laugh] no this is not [laugh] fair so maybe er perhaps you er you don't er you can let me read er here okay perhaps it is sensible to start er with my motivati-, er with my motivation to write this paper for i think papers should be read in the larger er context of our intellectual and social backgrounds what i perceive to be the case is that i-, at least in Japan we are in short of practically relevant academic studies in our fields or applied linguistics as sometimes possibly misleadingly called large numbers of s-, er teachers are quite eager for self-development yet when they turn to academic researchers for some help they often find that some researchers only produce experimental studies with little relevance to teaching practice as far as i can see in Japan the findings of er the researchers are often only comprehensible from a very limited technical perspective which is too remote or detached or even completely different from teaching perspective or the findings are sometimes too patchy and interpretable only in the er controlled situation of that experimental study it seems that it is usually supposed that teachers not researchers are to are expected to integrated these different and and fragmented findings to turn them into practical knowledge but i believe this is a unfair burden of labour for teachers if researchers like my like me only produce er replication of linguistics or psychology under the name of applied linguistics applied psychology i believe they should be advised to learn the construction of their own theoretical framework for teaching practice however er this er discrepancy between the researchers and practitioners seemed to be only widening at least in Japan for example in some academic journals in Japan major er academic journals the standard format for a paper or a presentation is just like that of a psychological a psychology journal and takes the form of introduction method result discussion it is as if only experimental works are encouraged unfortunately enough it is as if you have to stop caring about teaching practice at all [laugh] in order to be a competitive researcher or you have to give up being academic in order to er h-, be helpful for teachers in practice apparently we must er find our own methodology to produce practically relevant and academic or rigid er studies and i suspect Japan isn't the only country to see the chasm between research and practice to take only one other example rather thoughtlessly i wonder the U-K here this country isn't the same i i just don't know i mean if you say resoundingly no in chorus then i shall stop but [laughter] perhaps er i i can continue er for example the Times Higher Educational Supplement recently er quoted er Professor Hargreaves at Cambridge University a member of the government's standard task er force when he says in a nineteen- er -sixty-nine teaching teacher training agency lecture that quote much educational research is of little relevance to improving cla-, classroom practice Times Higher Education cla-, er Supplement also carries an even more critical view by Professor Hillage at Sussex University's er Institute of Employment Studies the author of a report on the state of the educational research and quote there are three- thousand id-, er education researchers educational researchers in university education departments and teacher training colleges too much of what they do is small scale lack rigour and does not advance knowledge the burgeoning of er the burgeoning forest of academic research papers appears to be increasingly impenetrable to academic audience let alone to the wider education community if academic research er er research papers sit in the library to be read by a few scholars whose research and personal interest touch on the same issues as the Guardian higher education section er put it teachers do not benefit from the outcome of the tax money in the form of academic works so er methodological consideration for educational research er seemed to be an international task as it were the current paper is an attempt to of what little academic contribution i can make for the community of researchers and teachers this paper deals with the methodological norms for studies in teacher development and seek a way for a better er cooperation between researchers and teachers and here i'd like to say that well er my i mean this paper is also er based on these experience or sorry these experiences particularly in the informal discussion medium called passagen seminar in Japan this is an informal but so i mean i learned quite a lot nm1088: first er comes the teacher action and well philosophers are rather notorious for saying something obvious er philosophers just say if P then Q P therefore Q ah God [laughter] i mean how how how can we make this sort of inference you see [laughter] so i mean [laugh] what i'm stating maybe er just the ob-, er obvious but by stating the rather obvious maybe i hope that we begin to see something better so er this is the first point as a definition we make ac-, er we take actions of an ex-, experienced er competent teacher to be rational by and large the teacher is not merely a-, er adopting ad hoc measures for it's hard to explain the fact that she has had a successful career for a long time simply in terms of hapza-, haphazard luck nor teachers' actions are m- , are mere simple er simple automatic skills for they are often apparently done in conflicting situations which doesn't allow do not allow easy er fixed responses the purpose of studies in teacher development should be to explore that rationality of teacher actions the studies should er clarify the rationality which ha-, has not always been described in a coherent way so far this definition implies that we have to take er assumptions in the following sections which are mutually related these assumptions should be explicitly adopt-, adopted for confusion or in methodology can lead can easily lead us nowhere indeed although i am of the opinion that Chomsky linguist Chomsky's project has little or practically no relevance to studies in teacher development but i must i i must admire his er methodological excellence in explicating his normative nature of research programme it is i believe the combination of the normative or philosophical argument and the descriptive arguments specific arguments that turn Chomsky's revolution into orthodoxy which has been lasting for more than thirty years what studies in teacher development need is normative awareness of their own methodology after all er we are not in short of practical tips for tomorrow or small ideas for Monday morning it is lack of methodological foundation which makes them look like collection of ad hoc advice which are not coherent to each other without proper methodology we might fail to see the rationality of an experienced competent teachers and continue to treat it er as something anybody would quickly acquire after experience without much effort but that is not the case we need to explore er the rationality of an e-, experienced competent teacher so that we can share and develop our understanding of the profession yet this does not suggest that we should pick up one teacher and treat her as an example of perfect rationality in language teaching as human beings all teacher are under obvious constraints and thus prevented from being an exemplar of perfect rationality so we don't take actions of one particular teachers as to as sort of sacred facts er to be explained unquestionably they er their actions could have been more rational this statement mine s-, might sound like truism for some people but it is important to acknowledge once and for all that no teacher should be treated as a sort of an icon for it is sometimes the case that some teachers are so admired that they be-, they begin to accept less and less critical v-, reviews and establish an exclusive group of their own actually this is the case in Japan i mean some er educational journals are so hard to read but it is not because they are intellectually hard i mean they just use words which is not exactly technical jargon but just just i mean they just communicated communicate within a limited group and i just er think that it is a sad thing for us i mean so we need to er be er right er we just er we just n-, shouldn't have an icon er this i-, would be more plausible in an authoritarian culture when where a democratic exchange of views are not e-, is not encouraged maybe jap-, in Japan i mean it is sometimes hard to exchange i mean frank views i mean because i mean some teachers are just in authoritian sits [laugh] and and they just say they can just say something but they rarely listen well i mean maybe i [laugh] [laughter] i am exaggerating a little bit but [laughter] this is what i i s-, i sometimes thinks so studies in er teacher development is not to impart our teachers' knowledge to other in-, inexperienced teachers with no enquiring mind if that is all meant is meant by sharing experience we would only see deteriorate-, deteriorating practical wisdom of teachers for by definition a copy cannot be better than the original so our knowledge of teachers er one teacher can be only diminished or distorted when imparted therefore when we share experience we must try to understand rationality in that experience not just the experience in it-, in in itself but the rationality in it and explore some other cases some potential cases that could be or could have been possible if we agree to treat er regard teacher actions as instantiation of rationality we can discuss the issue objectively incorporating discussion apply the finding properly not blindly to each unique situation in other words we should cease to see teacher development in a craft model as some er some people call it er we have to er distance thoughtfully distance ourselves away from non-critical ethos or blind following of mentor's behaviour some might argue then if teacher development is a matter of rationality er we only have to adopt scientific method my reaction is yes and no because the word scientific or science can be ambiguous unlike the German word wissenschaft or the Japanese word gakumon the English word science is sometimes taken to mean only natural or physical scientists science to the exclusion of social science or human science if we take science in this narrow sense the answer is no because er it seems that we can only be scientific in this sense by being for example semi-psychologists who replicates experiments in L-two settings or applied linguists er who works for research questions set by theoretical linguists not by language teachers in practice the consequence of such scientific approach is much widening er gap between theory and practice er or researchers and teachers criticism for this kind of applied science model is much discussed and i won't repeat it here here suffice it to say that neither side benefit from this gap scientific researchers in our field cannot avoid being uncritical er followers of other presumably advanced scientists because the former lack their own original research questions for education and practical teachers will stay further away from methodological rigour so we will pursue studies in er te-, for er teacher development in a wide sense but what is a scientific approach in the wide sense or the critical approach to avoid the ambiguity of the term if there are any other way than f-, psychology or linguistics for example to explore the issue of er teacher development some researchers have already referred to ethnomethodology and proposed reflective model this paper is in line with this movement and argues that if critical enquiry which is different from natural or physical science is er is done in a methodologically proper way it will be it will reveal what natural or f-, physical scien-, science cannot reveal in what follows i will make clear methodological assumptions that we have to adopt in studies in teacher development and these are the assumptions i think that we have to follow if the purpose of study er studies for teacher development is to explore the rationality of an experienced competent teacher's actions we need to adopt the intentional stance not the design stance or the physical stance because er the only s-, er the f-, the intentional stance is er the only er stance of the three that can deal with human rationality these three stances are er philosophical concepts advocated by Dennett a part of his motivation seems to be t-, er to make us critically aware that stance adopted by natural scientists the nat-, er physical stance is not the only possible way to view the world from the intentional stance here the word intentional is a rather er used in a technical sense of philosophy and does not exclusively mean purpose-, purposeful or purposive okay but er from this intentional stance we see and try to understand an intelligent being in our case teacher [laughter] by ascribing rationality to it that is we treat the intelligent as we treat the intelligent being as the one that has beliefs and desires and other mental states like hopes fears et cetera and try to explain and predict its er actions by assuming that it will act with these mental s-, er states on the basis of rationality with some possible obvious excep-, exceptions like the fatigue or something we take it for granted that it or the teacher will act rationally even when er it appears to be acting not rationally we do not ascribe we shouldn't ascribe you irrationality immediately but still ascribe the er maximum amount of rationality to it and try to account for the action by examining what beliefs and desi-, or desires er have led to their action on the other hand even in the case of reasonably er rational action we attribute again the maximum rationality to the intelligent being and try to explore what other potential actions could be or could have been taken which are more rational applied to the studies in er teachers' development er from er from this er intentional stance we view teacher actions as an actual instantiation of rationality for seemingly unusual or unexpected actions by maybe inexperienced teachers or young teachers or experienced teachers we won't just condemn the teacher herself but instead try to uncover what led her to that action by examining her beliefs and desires et cetera by mutually finding out her unrealized er beliefs or desires et cetera er we give her a chance for reflection for theoretical on the other hand for theoretically trained but inexperienced teacher we might be able to reveal what she could have done given the strength of her theoretical beliefs from this intens-, intentional stance we construct er reconstruct the rationality of our teacher so that we can share her actual and potential actions in an explicit and understanding way thus studies in teacher development should be construed as a rational reconstruction of existing practice but extending that er beyond that practice by exploring its internal structure and suggesting other potential practice in short this stance is the one that we just usually take [laugh] in er the reflective model of teacher development this intentional stance should not be confused with the design stance er for if we we take the design stance ex-, exclusively er in teacher development what result may well be coercion not reflection from the design stance we see a being as what is designed to serve a certain purpose to perform a certain predetermined functions this view is of limited help er only when teachers are expected to do fixed activities these routine behaviours are certainly one element of teacher actions but yet not the major element after all it is possible or arguably even desirable to replace these fixed teacher actions with some teaching machines [laugh] for er er as far as fixed and er non-creative functions are concerned machines are much faster more accurate and even perhaps more humane because it er is more patient [laughter] and actually but i think major major issue for our profession is the i-, information technology i think i mean this can change a lot i mean industrial revolution can change the life of workers i mean the manual workers then i mean if this is the information revolution that we are witnessing we our change i mean our work will change a lot that's what i think i suspect okay and er in other words teacher development exclusively from the design stance would discourage teachers from developing er to be more flexible and compatible with conflicting situations in real classrooms the design stance er alone cannot deal with this sort of open-minded open-ended questions nm1088: from the physical stance we only er we see a being solely on the basis of the actual physical state as the natural or physical scientist usually do this stance does not deal with human rationality or purpose for they do not enter into the realm of the physical world of the natural scientist this physical stance is what some s-, school of psychology and linguistics are trying to take although i would say er er there are other types of psychology and linguistics that is seen from the design stance not the physical stance for example what some er experimental psychological researchers are changing into er neuroscience or brain science that's neuropsychology for the er these types of researchers has simply a more precise instruments of measurements and this is capable of producing finer theories in linguistics Chomsky often says that linguistics is and should be ultimately biology this stance can produce argualy arguably the finest picture of reality however we have to remember that this stance by definition excludes the rationality of a teacher and the design er design of teaching you need more than er terms of physics to deal with these sort of human concepts therefore i mean er by just trying to look er like science scientific we are turning ourselves further away from the teaching practice here we have to be careful about scientism if we naively believe in scientific method and assume that if if scientific application is the ultimate panacea and justify ourselves er mimicking experiments by psychologists or lin-, er linguistics in the hope of finding the ultimate answer to practical human questions by these small scientifics er steps we are i believe doomed [laugh] er well to i think i would say that it is like a hopeless situation where a tortoise starts not even before but alas after Achilles [laughter] and finds an infinite number of passing points leading to ever running er Achilles the more s-, er natural science advances the more educational researchers have to replicate and natural scientists run much faster than educational researchers [laughter] because they are much in larger in number er much larger in number and have far fewer burden of er explanation than educational researchers educational researchers i believe have to learn to benefit from the result of natural science not to mimic as it were natural scientists so we should er not take f-, er for granted the priority of the s-, er three stances that scientism implies scientism holds that physical stance so er physical stance as paramount the design stance being a mere application of the finding from the physical stance nothing more than a secondary interest for the follower of scientism the intentional stance may only have a derogatory connotation for it is far from the precise desrip-, description that physical stance can produce however this priority order of physical stance first and then f-, design stance and the intentional stance is not only possible one nor the only sensible one as i have implied suppose we take only the physical stance for teacher development X years later with the advance of er neuroscience educational researchers too might have a far more detailed pictures of er teacher actions yes yet this picture whose reading requires a lot of study in neuroscience would er be far less of help for teachers because this picture is f-, f-, far too detailed and yet too vast in the information to be understood in real terms it might perhaps start from the excitement of some neurons [laugh] in some er some domains of the brain to the transmission of chemical substance in the muscle and then finally to the picking up one piece of chalk [laughter] and [laugh] obviously it's not good picture if this sort of precise scientific findings are to be of some help for practitioners scientific enquiry must be properly directed by some other principles with educational orientation so my er what i er in other words i think i mean we shouldn't start from here or even start from here we should start from here er this is my point er by so er it er enq-, our enquiry must be directed by a less precise yet more economical stance that is far more relevant to practice of education thus for us i mean we must reverse er priority order thus er intentional stance comes first followed by the design stance and then finally by the physical stance we must limit our enquiry to the realm of the intentional stance unless it becomes undeniably necessary that without local findings from a more precise er stance we cannot go on only then do we began er begin to take the design stance the physical stance should come even later when efforts er from the design stance are exhausted this order might seem er unscientific or even antiscientific to some people however i argue that this is not in the broad sense of that term science and that this is a very reasonable order by which we can increase our practical knowledge if we start er from the physical stance or even the design stance critical enquiry for teacher development is far too vast it would be too arbitral to pick just one or two aspects of the whole scientific enquiry and claim these studies studies in er teacher development by definition pure s-, er natural er or physical scientists must be blind to design and human intentionality human concepts but we cannot be blind to them also by definition i would say in order to be reasonable in teacher development we cannot afford to be physical er scientists and we will go to the next point nm1088: adoption of intentional stance entails commitment to holism bec-, er for our intentionality meaning our human concepts our human understanding beliefs hopes desires anxieties et cetera is so inter-, internally connected that we are that one change in one part of our intentionality may cause some other change in some parts for example we may want our s-, want our students to make an immediate response to a question in the target language in classroom but it may only be so as long as she does not the student does not develop too much reliance on strategic competence too much frequent er too frequent er circumlocution which discourage er syntactic development or er unless she er she does not er develop too much reliance on easy set phrase which whose semantic content is not necessarily an expression of her feelings nor would teacher want an im-, immediate response if it threatens the teach-, student's des-, er affective sense of security our beliefs and desires are so interconnected that it is practically impossible to pick up one proposition er from our intentionality and treat the proposition as a kind of decontextualized e-, ex-, eternal truth of course we sometimes take the proposition and perhaps we see we find no practical problem in saying that an immediate response from a student is desirable but we have to be reminded that when we make this sort of type er this type of statement we omit for the economy of speech a restrictive phrase like other things being normal indeed or we have to be careful about the balance of significance between the proposition part and the restrictive er phrase part other things being normal in natural or physical science where the target of the study is highly focused or controlled restrictive er phrase may sound a platitude yet in the case where a proposition is actually in the web of other propositions and contextual factors play a major role it is indeed the proposition part that may er become a platitude indeed restrictive phrase other thing being e-, er normal may be the focus of our enquiry a holistic question like what other factors are significantly related to this proposition may carry more relevance to teachers who already know the content of the platitudinous proposition in this sense i i'm rather sceptical of of experimental studies in teacher development of course you can er compare for example two types of teaching technique in a semi-experimental manner and have a conclusion that one technique work better than the other but if the study neglects exploring what constitutes the de-, er context including the teacher herself the conclusion is of little significance to other teachers or even the teacher herself when she is put in a different situation i believe proliferi-, er proliferating this type of experimental studies leads us nowhere unless we take the holistic nature of reality as the foundation of our studies hence action research should be encouraged for it er supposedly encourages our reflection over holistic situation rather than jumping to a hasty conclusion but without proper understanding of the holism action research er could perhaps degenerate into a rather arbitrary comparison study which is far from scientific er experimental design and sensible er reflection nm1088: okay next point adoption of re-, intentional stance and holism commands a more flexible type of rationality than we normally think because if when we say we are rational and we often er think of er rationality in formal terms for it would be inconceivable that we often come up with sensible solutions in this complex world satisfying our holistic intentionality with only simple formal deductive type of rationality in this section therefore i introduce Habermas' theory of rationality for a more flexible account of rationality Habermas er distinguishes two types of rationality cognitive instrumental rationality and er communicative rationality stating that although the er cognitive instrumental rationality is the self- understanding of the modern era contemporary world it should be subsumed by the latter er communicative rationality which is connected with the ancient er conception of logos exertion of cognitive instrumental rationality is measured by successful intervention if one is able to fulfil her purpose by making informed and intelligent change in the environment she is regarded as possessing cognitive instrumental rationality this is er teleological and non- cognitive and does not require at least theoretically agreement with other persons as long as she makes her purpose clear and change the environment so that er it more satisfies her purpose she has shown instrumental mastery and that is enough for cognitive er instrumental rationality to make internal reference we typically exert this rationality from the design stance some er we somehow receive purpose from the intentional stance and tactfully gain knowledge from the physical stance and then relate them to fill fulfil the purpose yet this is not a good picture for teacher er development as you would assume er as we have confirmed the purpose or the end of a teacher action is not always independent and unchangeable because of the holistic nature of our teaching experience only some portion of er teacher actions can be properly explained by this cognitive instrumental rationality from the design stance so we need a more flexible and comprehensible notion of rationality and that according to Habermas is communicative rationality we hold that rationality of teacher actions comes its-, er manifests itself through the use of this communicative rationality okay communicative rationality is exerted for unifying consensus bridging force of argumentative er speech er what i mean is that in this er sort of communication different participants overcome their merely subjective views and by the use of communicative rationality they try to er achieve and they integrate different aspects of the same world in a coherent way so for example when we talk and when we reach an ar-, agreement we just don't simply follow one type of argument some people says when in terms of this rule i mean your action is wro-, i mean wrong or something like that whereas the other person might say but you see just just think of how she must be feeling right now which is quite different logic er somehow we reach an understanding and Habermas er says that we should er acknowledge this that sort of er more flexible rationality that's what he means by er communicative rationality and inherent in this er communicative rationality is communicative understanding this rationality is exercised particularly when it becomes obvious that there is apparent disagreement in understanding among ourselves with different orientations in our case teacher often encounters students or student er and situations which are quite different from what she expected and do not allow an easy solution she then has to talk as it were with herself or actually with other persons other colleagues or friends when she has time to find a better solution she must take into account different aspects of teaching that's different students and different s-, er situations bring and find that unified understanding of the whole picture of teaching er she m-, c-, she must come up with the solution by way of communicative rationality communicative rationality is therefore motivated by such ordinary questions like how come she sees it and you don't i mean this type of mindset is quite incompatible in fact and in fact in unimaginable from the physical stance or the design stance which only presupposes the the one and only one unquestionable realistic world or purpose and see disagreement among us as a mishap not as a starting motivation for further enquiry the communicative rationality takes phenomenological style which allows different looks of the world er from different interpretive backgrounds therefore communicative rationality is er compatible with holism rather than the instrumental er cognitive instrumental rationality and also er compatible with the intentional stance in addition since communicative rationality is a more comprehensible concept er this subsumes cognitive instrumental rationality it is an undeniable fact that our daily life is occasionally supplemented by instrumental mastery a life with no instrumental mastery is not a human life but a life which is only made up of instrumental mastery is not a human life either we need to make clear the as-, sort of the asymmetrical w-, relation of our communicative rationality and cogniti-, cognitive instrumental rationality and try not to misrepresent a human life or teacher actions in theoretically biased way nm1088: okay then argumentation suppose that so suppose a teacher comes to us and we try to see er rationality by the use of communicative rationality then what are the specific requirements in the argumentation Habermas says that our argumentation should be seen as a process that is unfinished work unfinished continuation so in natural science you should have an answer if you don't have an answer that's a failure but in our discussion i mean in our setting maybe we don't have a complete answer and we shouldn't have a complete answer if you think you should you have a the ultimate i mean complete er right answer then you must be taking er design stance or physical stance or this er rationality cognitive instrumental rationality so we we shouldn't be ashamed of the fact that sort of as it were we are endlessly talking [laugh] i mean from different er perspectives also er Habermas says that we must follow certain procedure i mean argumentation should be seen er procedure and we must follow s-, er certain types of rules for example er Habermas says er we should thematize no we just i mean in the process we just don't chat we just thematize the claim and we try to see we try to clarify the reasons behind it not the er claim itself for example when she says when er one teacher says something like the i think the introductio-, i mean the use of music enhances the student's motivation et cetera rather than focusing on that content itself oh no in my experience it didn't work w-, et cetera or music is not related to the cognitive development something like that we should try to see the reasons reasons and argumentations these are the core of the er argumentation and er we shouldn't take the attitu-, er we should take the sort of the hypothetical wor-, er attitude and stop saying well if you have the experience if you have experience like mine you will see or you cannot say anything you cannot say real-, er say anything really if you are not experienced er if you are not experienced i mean we should as i said er we just i mean we should begin we should see the teacher actions in terms of rationality so we we should try to see the rationality behind it so reasons not the context or the i mean experience is obviously important but experience is not absolutely necessary to understand our profession and but we should have er at some point i mean we should turn these discussion or argumentation into a product otherwise i mean we'll get nowhere i mean this sounds rather contradictory to each other but in in actual case i mean we should have the sort of the intent er report or a summary otherwise er and that is okay and that er sort of the product is enough er i don't have time so i have no time to introduce er Wittgenstein's er concept of certainty oh in short Wittgenstein says i mean scientists are concerned with truth but we don't er spend our lives based on the truth we act on certainty and certainty is enough that's what Wittgenstein says in the f-, rather thick book but [laugh] [laughter] just let's i mean [laugh] i don't know [laugh] and we so sort of produce argumentation or discussion then we have to make it a study and er in the s-, er in order to have a study or a research programme we should have normative and we should distinguish normative descriptive prescriptive er argumentations or types er aspect of the research er i would like to say unless we clearly distinguishes these three aspects er we cannot develop our s-, er discussion into a study okay prescriptions i mean prescriptions is just advice from the senior teacher and usually we just take it or and some people says that no no you shouldn't prescribe you shouldn't you shouldn't er er have you should have no prescriptions et cetera but er actually er proper prescriptions is quite possible if we have normative theories and descriptions okay by normative theories er as i said er s-, since we see the teacher actions as an instantiation of rationalities er we have to we sort of the we should come up with the theories that is philosophically sound and solid er what i mean is that if we er yeah we should rather than starting from here my point is rather than s-, starting from here just to quote er Chomsky or some other psychological studies we should start from the er here our sense of practice we do have a good sense of practice and then er we should sort of be by some happy accident we should come up with the er possible normative theories and then if we have these normative theories we can describe according er according to that normative theories otherwise if we just try to describe it is like a diary i mean you describe something but i mean you see i mean other people can see er little point in them so normative theories and descriptions must er come together if i mean one cannot exist without the other i would say er particularly descriptions and if we compare normative theories and descriptions then there should be a gap i mean should it be the case that this is the normative theories and should it be the case that there are some paths er which are not really the case in the descriptions we can have the prescription I-E i mean we have to concentrate our effort in this er er stance i mean in this area of research so er if i can summarize quickly i think er we have been er we have an applied science model as i said in applied science model normative theories comes first but i i think it it should not be the case on the other hand we sometimes just er just try to describe without er having the n-, normative theories but this is not the case and in order to have the normative theories i i'd like to say that we shouldn't be natural science or we shouldn't be the normative theories er themselves we should just like just like an engineer is quite happy to learn some of the results of the scientific findings and apply it we should be happy to be not original scientists or pure scientists we cannot be scien-, i mean real scientists in practical terms and that's not a shame this is my er contention and pres-, prescriptions it's still possible and i mean if a prescriptions comes with the normative theories and descriptives er descrips-, descriptions er prescriptions are not just blind thing so well i sort of hasten to conclude but i think this is er all i want to say right now thank you very much nm1089: well thank you very much indeed Professor namex nm1089: i think you may have got some sense of the experience i was describing in er Professor's namex's office sparks flying in all directions i was [laughter] so we certainly got our money's worth this afternoon [laughter] thank you very much indeed er i heard the clatter of teacups a little while ago and i don't want our tea to get cold so i'm going to suggest if anybody has immediate responses they'd like to make now for perhaps about five minutes or so and there are many many areas we could follow through trying to catch those sparks and and then if we can all go into room three-five-seven where i believe the tea is we can continue informally over a cup of tea so any any immediate responses or comments or questions or namex yes of course nf1090: can i just make one observation do you see it as a hopeful sign that Chomsky is now saying that everything has become much too complicated and he wants to go back to a much simpler model er of er language learning in order to understand really what's going on nm1088: do you mean that Chomsky is saying that he he's sort of the er trying to give up the account of the language development nf1090: that's right that's right nm1088: yes i think that's why he he he can survive i mean that's the way he survives nf1090: yes nm1088: right i mean he i mean his i mean his normative theory is nativism innate theory nf1090: yes nm1088: and that's the most important part right and the some people say oh it's not fair because you have to account for various things like the language development nf1090: mm nm1088: but if he tries to do that i think his er project might have collapsed nf1090: mm nm1088: and by er concentrating his efforts to the to his normative theory he can make it methodologically clear and that's why people er er linguists all over the world can cooperate so i mean er i think we have to sort of not in the Chomskian sense but we have to certainly er narrow our focus actually er in the form of normative theories otherwise i think er we keep talking and that's fine that's fine because w-, each time hopefully we understand better but if we are to cooperate then we should have normative theories according to which we can cooperate