nm0724: that you know what's going down this morning er we got some guy where are you from anyway om0725: Centre for Applied Language Studies nm0724: there you are so he's local we er he so he's not that er oh you weren't here we had the Polish T-V lecture in er er lecture or videoing a lecture the other day but er that wasn't you lot have you lot been er some of you have been videoed haven't you the oh yeah when er some of you were in the lab i know others of you missed it but for er the N-B-C the American one er that went out on the er er N-B-C Today programme s-, oh no not B-B-C N-B-C so it was er i think something like thirteen-million Americans would have watched you er and there's been feedback saying how good you looked and things like that er and and at least one of you appeared on Sky T-V er or er filmed for Sky yesterday but oh no names mentioned the celebrities in the audience it's amazing er i got a favour to ask in fact as well has anybody got i know all of you'll be skiving off this afternoon and putting your feet up and things like that as typical students do on a Friday afternoon has anybody got a video er machine or equipment or anything or have access to it you do well it's n-, s-, n-, n-, n-, noth-, nothing naughty i'm asking [laughter] for no er i i rushed out the house this morning and i forgot the Newsround tonight would it be possible for you sm0726: yeah sure nm0724: brill excellent 'cause sm0726: nm0724: er i think it starts four- fifty-five but i might but it's Beeb one four something like that if it's poss just to video it i'll pay you handsomely you know er while this is being recorded i don't know what shall we say sort of ninety per cent in the exam something like that or [laughter] that all right okay i mean er al-, all right ninety-five okay that's the final offer just so this is this is me being er very generous so and i-, and if ever you say you said ninety-five and you don't get it then it's all been recorded so right what it what it is on Newsround is oh don't panic don't panic you've had all this before er what it is on Newsround is something to do with the Sony dog and they came here and we of course we're the most knowledgeable people on earth about the Sony dog Sony excepted and er they wanted a bit of waffle on it i think that's what it's about anyway it could be something completely different er let me let me remind you oh it's all right step this way step this way you need a crash helmet for this lecture it's er i know it's a bit of a a bit of a crash course the the s-, stuff we were doing if you remember we have a system that we're dealing with and we're shoving a step input into it step input is switching it on bing step input the pra-, this is practical er [laughter] experimentation and er we're seeing how the system responds and we looked at the first type of system where it's overdamped so the system responds the output morning whatever this is it it it eventually gets up to its final value but it doesn't overshoot it doesn't do anything funny really it just gets there eventually and that's it we then had a look thi- , this is hopefully how i how i left you last time we were on er was looking at the critically damped case and how far did we go fine so this this you've had a look at this bit so far so if i go over this you won't or shouldn't be saying what the hell is that it should be yeah i remember that way back beyond the days gone by the in the critically damped case just to remind you the critically damped case is really this sort of mathematical ideal on the cusp probably never really happens in practice type it it's a it's an ideal type of thing to get to it's sort of er in a political sense it's the pure communist state you know it's an ol-, i-, ideal but it's never er going to actually occur in practice er here we got a system output the the system is G input is U which is a step input and where we'd got to was simply at the point of looking at what the output response is to a step input and er er again what we'd done before well what what i'd done and some of you had listened in was to look at the sort of extreme cases when thi-, this is what it looks like the output looks like in terms of time physically what the output looks like and there are three values to it or three parts to it one is the just the gain K is just a number alpha apart from being a Greek symbol just to make it look more difficult is also just a number and and this would just be as it is squared so this is just going to be a positive value here that's all a gain value we've then got one now this this effectively will be the steady state value when things have settled down and all we've got are two exponential terms which we can look at at the extreme cases and the extreme cases being when we switched the thing on and it's like er time is zero it's the big bang time well in a physical sense that is not in a er well any other sense and i've got to watch what i say here haven't i 'cause i mean th-, this is this is with language studies you get sort of er mystical foreign students er listening in on this or yeah om0725: possibly nm0724: okay for the so for the the Latin American students that might listen to this transcript the big bang i'm talking purely in a sort of Stephen Hawking sense not in er er other other connotations and er anyway so actually when when t-, [laugh] oh God let's go for it when T is zero then exponential of zero is sm0727: one nm0724: one great and when this lot is zero because we've got a T in there that going to zero the whole lot of that goes to zero so all we've got when we switch the thing on this is when we apply the step input at that time we go zing then the output will be this value one-minus-one and one-minus-one is sm0728: zero nm0724: one student knows anyway that er th-, yeah one-minus-one is zero which means that the output is zero which is pretty obvious we switch the thing on and the output's er well i was going to say i was going to swear but i won't er the output is zero er but why not but er now let's let's take the other case when time goes off to a big number such as infinity or the end of the lecture whichever is first and in this case the exponential minus infinity is sm0729: must be zero nm0724: must be zero it sounds good doesn't it it sounds good so that must be zero and here we've got er time is off to infinity or a big number and this bit is down to to zero so what's er anything multiplied by infinity is sm0730: infinity nm0724: infinity except for one specific case because anything multiplied by zero is sm0731: zero nm0724: zero and er we're on one of these sort of parad-, what is it a p-, a paradigm or something i don't know what or is that some exotic drink sm0732: nm0724: no all right anyway it's zero multiplied by any old thing and T is a big number so the whole lot's going to go to zero there so it's because that's zip all so we've got one-minus-zero which is sm0733: one nm0724: one thanks very much well we ge-, we're getting there even if it's the odd sort of person there so in a steady state this would be K-over-alpha- squared whatever the number is multiplied by one which turns out to be K-over-alpha-squared so that's the critically damped case that's the steady state value and the two extremes er are the ones we've just looked at the steady state when time goes off to infinity or a or a big number whichever you want er is this number K-over-alpha-squared which is the the inherent gain of the system again they're just numbers K and alpha are just numbers i mean Kay is also a girl's name i know that but for the purposes of this thing just treat her as a number if anybody knows anybody called Kay tonight say to her Kay you're just a number if if she gets upset about that you know especially if you say you're number fifty-eight or something like that she gets upset then say no the prof says you're just a number say how does he know er and then in the initial does anybody know anybody called Kay just to get you into trouble here just as well just as well sm0734: bloke nm0724: don't pardon sm0734: there's a bloke called Kay nm0724: is there er okay well i'll [laughter] sm0735: nm0724: right yeah well [laughter] the er sm0736: these Japanese nm0724: really okay let's move on [laughter] er the in fact not that i'm going to go through 'cause you know we got language students who don't know what all this derivative stuff is but in fact the derivative er of the output when T is zero also turns out to be zero you know we had that we had that little trinket cropping up before and here it comes again it's not particularly important no big deal all it means is when you er er er it's it's very much like er er a member of the opposite sex when you actually suggest something to them it takes them a bit of time to get going you can't suggest something to them and they're off straight away and the same with this system so in fact the the other person could be a critically damped system er and in this case so the derivative is zero the takes a bit of time to burst into life essentially that's all it means what this critically damped system looks like there's no overshoot the dotted this this dotted thing here is the steady state value er this is the output here's time along here we switch the switch and up it goes but it doesn't actually overshoot in theory it doesn't overshoot the final value that it settles down to in fact it is the most rapid response the critically damped thing what it means is it's the most rapid response that you can possibly get on the face of this earth without any overshoot for the overdamped case you remember it it didn't overshoot it er came in from once i eventually got there and i've said here it's desirable this particular goal this particular type critically damped response if you're looking at machine tools er or robots in fact or er a lot of production machinery welding machines is a a prime example i know tonight you'll all go home and play with a welding machine as you do and with that welding machine the aim the target is to make the thing critically damped so if if you can imagine for a moment that i am a welding machine and this the top of the projector is the thing like what i am supposed to be welding then here's my little torch or stick or whatever the welding thing is and i the design of it i want this arm to come in as quickly as possible do do you need a v-, a vocal commentary he moved his arm [laughter] in the direction of [laughter] so i want the arm to come in as quick as possible to to that point zing like that do the do the welding and move away again now if it's overdamped the case we saw before it will not come in zing it will come in zing and eventually get there if it's as the case we're going to move on to it goes past it overshoots then of course it would go zing and we messed the and you can imagine whatever it is we've gone too far and know what going too far gets you er so this critically damped case is the the the perfect the ideal case if we had a perfect welder see knows all about perfect welders he can afford to miss the first ten minutes if we had the perfect welder it would be critically damped however i this this thing here is important that that's really in theory this is the theoretical for Christ's sake if you get a job at the end of this course as a welding machine setter upper or whatever it happens to be or someone who's in charge of people who set welding machines up or or whatever er then don't do it quite this way aim for this as a perfect thing but remember probably you're going to get a bit of noise floating around probably you're going to get a bit of variability one robot's welding stick might be a little bit longer than another robot's welding stick you know in this world robots have welding sticks of different lengths we have to be er aware of that and that might mean if you've set the thing up to come in just from one side the the critically damped case it it might bang the so you might break it it might you you could go too far er the other thing with noise really you may not want this to overshoot and er with a bit of noise on the top the si- , the signal wouldn't look like that it would come in and it it might go like which means you would in fact be overshooting a little bit so in practice what happens is er you would slug it down a bit so in a a lot of manufacturing cases in fact it's really slugged down a hell of a lot er typical production line down at say Ford who are about to close the production line down i don't know whether that's any coincidence but so at Dagenham the robots there they have some big KUKA robots that do welding and parts manipulation and so on and they're slowed down to about a third sort of three times if you like slower than they could actually operate at for safety reasons for that reason that if they operated faster than that then they could the the to achieve more production because if the things are operating faster they get more things going through more welds three welds a m-, a minute instead of one weld or whatever it happens to be but as you get towards that optimum this critically damped case which is what we're looking at you've got all sorts of potential problems because of the variability in what you're dealing with so this is a an ideal a theoretical case to aim for here's the theory now let's detune slow things down let's come back to the overdamped case a bit in a practical way in order that things don't blow up and we don't break things and so on so forth so that's what we're about so there er critically damped is a sort of theoretical ideal er it's a bit like my wage packet it's completely theoretical but the it's not ideal either it seems seem that the language they get paid loads of dosh over there so they get p-, get paid it all in foreign money and er [laughter] right er we've done the overdamped case we've done the critical damped case and er we're going to have a look at the this is this is in fact this is a really sad moment because this underdamped response this is it this is the final thing we're going to be covering on the course so i know i know it's a time for holding back the tears for er you know stifling not a yawn but stifling something or other er so the o-, the the overdamped it didn't didn't overshoot critically damped's right on the cusp underdamped is the the final thing we're going to look at and it's called underdamped because it's underdamped er the the damping is not enough to stop overshoots essentially and this this type of response the output overshoots its steady state value so i'll just flick back to this previous overhead he put the previous overhead on the projector flick back to that then in this case we was the the sort of ideal in the n-, furthest we could go quickest we could go without actually overshooting here we're actually going to go past this final value or er for language students from er the southern English past the final value er the transfer function roots in this case you remember we had the first case the overdamped case the roots of the denominator were were like two different roots as it were but real roots and in the critically damped case the roots were in fact exactly the same and in this case for the underdamped case we've got complex conjugates we've got er er a real part and an imaginary part and and in this case for the underdamped response the output oscillates following a step input oscillates meaning it it goes backwards and forwards and just just to see what i'm getting at here what we're talking about here an an experiment for tonight is trying to get the key into the door of your room or house wherever you're living er for a an overdamped case just just go normally just go and you should be all right to go in fact that's probably critically damped isn't it just go straight to the keyhole turn the door and so on just for the purposes of experimentation have a few drinks and then try and get the key in the door and you'll find more than like well i find anyway i don-, is is that the key you'll have to sort of j-, j-, jiggle it around a bit like that and eventually you get the key in the door the more drinks the have you have the more jiggling around that you have to do until if you have too many i'm not suggesting you have too many but if you have too many probably goes completely unstable and you'll fall over sideways while you're trying to [laughter] get the key in the door but this one the oscillations are they're trying to to get r-, right on to the then you over you go past and you come you know the you know the feeling you go it's a it's a bit like my wife's driving so [laughter] [cough] don't laugh it's true unfort-, [laugh] that's another another rear reflector i shall be mending tomorrow er the amount of damping dictates how quickly these oscillations die down a lot of damping the oscillations don't hang around for very long not much damping and they stick around for quite a while and in the limits if there was no damping then it's purely it's just oscillating off it goes just oscillates and for the foreign language students very much like a Citroen Diane suspension it's getting towards that or le Diane de Citroen or whatever it [laughter] whatever it is am i supposed to interact with this or should this be a om0725: nm0724: [laughter] just that no i mean normally this is deadly serious is these lectures are they not [laughter] and er sm0737: compared with your other ones nm0724: compared with other ones yeah sm0738: nm0724: that's right so this is i mean there have been no Skoda jokes today at all they can't remember any sm0739: opportunities for one nm0724: oh i don't need opportunities sm0740: nm0724: do you want a Skoda joke sm0741: nm0724: yeah i don't know have i had any Skoda this is ah this is for the Czech listeners er my my wife is Czech this is a true story actually and er w-, years ago when she first came to England er the university photographer caught us at the degree ceremony and said aha you're Czech i've got a Skoda joke as people do tend to do and is i-, you may have heard this bit but stick with it and he said er why why do Skodas have a heated rear windscreen and my wife er and he said so you can keep your hands warm when you're pushing it [laughter] and we we sort of well me and another guy we were sort of laughing a little bit 'cause we haven't heard it before see it was many years ago but my wife didn't laugh at all i thought well maybe he's offended her wh-, wh-, why aren't you laughing it's quite funny and she said well Skodas don't have a heated rear windscreen [laughter] [laughter] right way to go [laughter] the true jokes are the funniest er as the damping is in-, sorry that's got nothing to do with the lecture but what the hell as the damping is increased so we get to the critically damped case the case like what we were at before so no damping it's just purely oscillatory increase the damping increase the damping and we will get the critically damped case where you don't get any overshoots no oscillations at all i just put the what a shame 'cause that's what i felt like that's an optional extra as far as your notes are concerned if anybody in the exam puts something like what a shame then well it's up to you isn't it the decision is yours [sneeze] bless you has anybody seen Bicentennial Man yet no okay so y-, note we are with science students engineering students we're not into arty things like Robin Williams films and stuff so has every-, everybody finished with that sm0743: nm0724: okay we wait while the slow student catches up [laughter] well apparently it's about some i i only know this 'cause some Argentinian journalist contacted me to say what do you think of it as Argentinian journalists do sm0744: based on the Asimov story nm0724: i think it's yeah it this robot sm0745: about the robot that wanted to be human nm0724: th-, that's right it couldn't be human and wants to have human feelings and stuff like that so the journalist asked me can robots have feelings and so on that's why i've put what a shame that was the link putting what a shame 'cause the system doesn't have oscillations [laughter] that's it let's go for the next one now unfortunately you're not going to get away with this lightly i mean normally because we don't do stuff like maths and things like that i mean but we have to because we've got er language student listening in we have to do some tough stuff okay so er purely for this purpose we'll throw some equations and maths on the board just so it looks as though we actually do some work and then they'll go away thinking cor i'm glad i didn't do that degree that's blooming hard that one wh-, how the hell do they know all that stuff and then once once we're not recording then we'll get back to the easy life that we normally do [laughter] like Skoda jokes and things like that right just to remind you we're still we're still looking at the what case are we looking at the underdamped case that's the one thanks for that and in this instance we have got complex conjugate roots so the the transfer function G that relates input to output has this gain K there she is again on the top line or he again or he again and on the and on the bottom line we have S-plus-alpha-minus-J-beta bring in another Greek symbol make it more complicated for the Greek listeners this is probably all right though and and multiply by S-plus-alpha- plus- J-beta and you can see here why they use the term J and not some word like egg because if they called J egg then we'd have egg beta and that would be a bit silly [laughter] see there's there's logic in these symbols you thought why they use J now you know now you know er so we've got complex conjugate routes i'll just just to make it look again for the language people listening in make it multiply things out and so on and we can also get if we multiply this stuff out to get rid of the J or egg if you like whichever the alternative er just i thought i'd scramb-, scramble it up oh God [laughter] no no no that's enough that was almost a joke there so scramble it up and this is just looking at the denominator forget K's forgotten for the moment poor girl er and if we can also if we multiply it out because this this little bit this little Frankie here is going to crop up again he's going to we're going to go through a few and er and whoo in it comes just to surprise us in a little bit so it's important to know where we're going S- squared plus two-alpha-S and then alpha- squared plus beta-squared so multiplying the bit alpha-plus-J-beta alpha-minus- J-beta we're just getting rid of that er complex conjugate thing or lo and behold we can even look at it in one yet one other way which is this is in fact also S-plus-alpha- all-squared plus beta- all-squared A-K-A this form and now those astute members of you that are wide awake unlike myself will note that this S-plus-alpha- all-squared is exactly what we had for the previous case the underdamped case we had didn't we didn't we have something like that the critically damped critically damped case for the critically damped case we had two roots exactly equal we did somebody's somebody's nodding yeah we had something like that well it might not have been alpha it might have been A or something but but we did did we have alpha we did the lectures actually tie together loosely so S-plus-alpha-all-squared was what we had before and now we've got this extra term the beta that's the only difference really is this extra bit which when we're factorizing it above er we can only do it in terms of the complex conjugates so that's where we are apply a unit step input this u- , here's U unit i've just to remind you it's just unit single value if it was five units then we'd just multiply the whole thing by five just to see what happens and the output then is just the multiple of G and U or G operating on U so we've got Y here's here's G K over S-plus-alpha-all-squared plus beta-squared and then multiplied by one-over-S the step input thing business and now this is the bit when you close your eyes and just write and hope for the best and then we'll get back to the the easier stuff you know what we did before with partial fractions and expanded out and so on and so forth you ready for this say yes namex we're ready for it sm0746: yes namex we're ready for it nm0724: thank you very much here we go there we go i've i spent all morning working this one out before i came in sm0747: nm0724: so that's right this is this is the one earlier and er you just need a squeezy bottle and three matchsticks and it all works out so the output is he said describing the difficult equation the output is K over alpha-squared-plus- beta-squared now all of these K alpha beta are just numbers a typical number is three so they might all be three in fact and in fact if K was three she might feel a bit happier than if she was fifty- eight and then inside the parentheses or brackets or whatever you like to call them we have one-upon-S which in fac-, as er you'll note is something to do with the steady state value and it turned up up there for the unit step input and then we have two terms which look absolutely awful the fir-, both of them have the same denominator the same S-plus-alpha-all-squared-plus-beta-squared so that that's the denominator on both of those the first one is S-plus-alpha and the second one is alpha why the hell have i done it that way because i've sort of cheated a little bit and looked ahead a step er what i'm trying to do with this is to put them in partial fractions into a form that you can just go to a book and look up how they are and it tells you what that actually means in terms of time signal representations so really you can go and look up what sort of forms you can get to and then try and chop chop this thing up er into a form that actually gives you something that you can just look up so you don't have to do any fancy stuff er don't worry when it comes to examsville this i'm not going to ask you shove this into partial fractions and look it up in a book and tell me what the answer is 'cause i'm assuming you'll all be able to do that sort of stuff if you really wanted to eventually er so that is not going to crop up so here it is but don't worry don't think blimey how the hell am i going to learn that stuff er don't panic or anything it's not going to you're not going to be asked that sort of thing you're going to be asked lots more difficult questions than that but not this particular thing what does this which is more important what does this actually look like in terms of a time signal which is the important thing time is of the essence what the hell does that mean i thought essence was sort of some spice or something like that what's time got to do with being spicy sm0748: nm0724: no perhaps it's something to do with Geri Halliwell i don't know right or maybe that's just wishful thinking again this is just to confuse er all of you never mind those listening in here's the gain so this is the output in terms of time this is what it what it actually looks like what the syste-, for a an underdamped system what it would actually look like the response that you get would would appear like if it is the Citroen Diane that i spoke of earlier it would be the position of the shock absorbers after a a bump or something like that after a hump or hump's not a good word to use [laughter] not in a Citroen Diane anyway [laughter] i don't know might be possible this probably if this tape gets sent to the Vice Chancellor this will be the last lecture that i'll be giving [laughter] there'll be women's rights campaigners men's rights campaigners Skoda rights [laughter] campaigners there'll be all sorts [laughter] er the anti-, anti-Slovak lobby or something probably the probably some refugees will crop up somewhere [laughter] in there as well er K all complaining K over alpha-squared-plus-B and then there'll be people complaining that they weren't included K over alpha-squared-plus-beta-squared is the same gain that's just come through the whole thing just like a dose of prunes there it is again [laughter] nothing's affected it whatsoever er and then inside the bracket here's that one which was the one-over-S there it is again and two terms er exponential- minus-alpha-T multiplied by the cosine of beta-T and the same sort of thing again exponential-minus-alpha-T multiplied by the sine of beta-T and all we got is that that's just m-, little gain A over alpha-over-beta which are just numbers remember alpha beta and K are just numbers and the nice little thing here you'll see the alpha and the beta i find these little things nice the exponential has the alpha bit in it so there's no beta in the exponential and the beta turns up with the sines and cosines the frequency type of the the changing element and there's no alphas knocking around with the betas so the alphas and the betas are sort of er separated er and they they turned up in a different form in the the denominator and here they're having different effects in the output but can we can we see that in another way well we can this this will hopefully make it a little bit clearer the only thing i mean it may be first instance look a little bit more complicated but in fact it simplifies when we're looking at what happened this can be written by playing around with so-, sine and cosine what do they call trig identities or something like that is it sounds like something out of Only Fools and Horses whatever and we've got the gain that's still there it's sort of lingering in there it is K over alpha-squared-plus-beta-squared no change there and then inside the one is still the one and all they've done is play around with these two terms messing around with the exponentials and the sine er i've cheated a little bit because there should be some sort of phase shift that appears in the ins-, it's not really just beta there should be a phase shift but i so when you look at in in years to come when you're ruminating on it with your cocoa one night and you're you're looking at this think blimey this should be a phase shift he's got it all wrong well i i'm just excluded it or execu-, got rid of it just for the purposes of going through this there is a bit of a phase shift in there but it's not really important in terms of what how we're looking at this er later on it may become important but not at this stage so we've got the gain er that that one is still there which multiplies by the gain and then we've got this time dependent thing that in here is the square root of alpha- squared-plus-beta-squared on the top divided by beta that's that which again is just a gain component just a number and then we've got the two terms exponential-minus-alpha-T multiplied by sine- beta-T and again the exponential has the alpha and the sine has the beta and the two things are separate so what does this all look like er well couldn't be bothered to work it out myself so i thought let you do a bit of work i thought make this an interactive lecture the steady state value er this is as time goes off to infinity again when time is B well what is it can we work it out can we see sm0749: nm0724: oh you've given it away yeah if if you set T to be zero in that lot then the overa-, it doesn't really matter what the sine is doing that's going up and down as sines do but this this thing exponential of minus-infinity will be zero and that wipes the floor with anything else so er as time goes off to infinity we've got this gain multiplied by one-minus-zero and one-minus-zero is sm0750: one nm0724: one who said zero one yeah so it's just K over alpha-squared-plus-beta- squared is the steady state value in fact in fact if we went back just out of interest if we went back here and had a look at at this thing if er we remember with the step input [sneeze] if we just bless you if we just set S to zero and multiply this thing out then which is alpha-squared-plus- beta-squared K over alpha-squared-plus-beta-squared so we we can just look at the thing in the first place and if you remember the steady state value for a step input we just set S to zero and we've got our answer and that's the same doing the same thing there and that's what we've got K over alpha-squared-plus-beta-squared but let us this this denominator i threw in er a few minutes ago just to to add a bit of spice and ele-, some-, something there 'cause it's it's something we can sort of ask exam questions on sometimes and i want to look at it a little bit more closely so let us let us return to the denominator the denominator is the bit on the bottom you should know the numerator's the bit on the top and in the middle well keep your eyes closed you've got to draw the line somewhere there ha ha ha ha [laughter] so the numerator is commonly thi-, this is the bit on the right hand side see i writ-, i wrote the right hand side first just so you what the hell's he doing and on the right hand side this is what we had before S-squared plus two-alpha-S plus alpha-squared-plus-beta-squared that's what we had before for the denominator er well about ten lines ago was it not was it not and this is just to say that this this left hand side is how it is often written and we'll see why in a second so the S-squared has not changed it's S-squared and then we've got plus two- zeta- omega- baby-N or subscript-N- S plus omega-N-squared and again zeta we're trying to bring in people half the names that are nearly married to American film stars things like that so it sort of adds a bit of artistic licence to what we're doing so two-zeta-omega-N-S plus omega-N-squared and we can see that i mean straight even i could do this this morning with before my coffee zeta is if we just look at this we equate S-squared equals S-squared there's a profound statement and then if we equate the S terms two-zeta-omega-N is two-alpha and the twos cancel which leaves us zeta is alpha-over-omega-N if we want and also the omega-N-squared is alpha-squared-plus-beta-squared that's just so so what have we got this is where we came from the right hand side and all i'm saying here is well you know if you go out in the big world the wide boys down Oxford Street they wouldn't talk in terms of alphas and betas they would talk in terms of zetas and omega-Ns well they maybe wouldn't even talk like that but that that's the the common terminology is that one and as we can see let us let us look at extremes let us look at extreme cases what for instance happens when beta tends to zero what goes down what happens and it's er it's intriguing really isn't it when beta goes to zero 'cause as beta goes to zero if you're looking at at this side here we're we're back to the critically damped case when beta heads off as beta gets to zero we're back to the critically damped case er the roots are just S-plus-alpha- squared all-squared just like what they were sort of thing before and and now for the the foreign listeners sorry maintenant er nous will set zeta to un [laughter] and there it is le damping ratio [laughter] so zeta zeta is actually known A-K-A the damping ratio and is as we set it to one it's it's all the same thing here if you look here it's all magic beta goes to zero so omega tends to alpha and as omega tends to alpha so zeta alpha-over-alpha is one here so just just from these equations beta to zero omega becomes alpha effectively alpha-over-alpha is just is one so zeta tends to one so this thing the damped zeta is known as a damping ratio and as beta goes to zero zeta the damping ratio goes to to a value of one and the other and and really what beta was linked to the sine term the sine term going er really the oscillations so what this is saying effectively is as the oscillations die down as beta goes to zero the frequency of oscillations dies down and so on the damping ratio tends to one and we tend to the critically damped case where we don't have oscillation so it all sort of ties together really the er another extreme as alpha tends to zero then we can see see from here as alpha's zero then omega-N becomes beta or omega-N-squared is beta-squared and this omega-N which is why we've got this subscript-N is also known as the natural frequency and for this for this reason effectively er as beta goes to zero er as alpha goes to zero omega-N tends to to beta becomes beta and er with alpha being zero it means zeta is zero so and zeta being zero we've got no damping we've we've gone in the direction of the pure oscillations we we switch the thing on and it just oscillates it's a pure oscillator it just goes up and down up and down up and down never gets exhausted never gets tired never dies down just keeps going it's a bit like Bolton Wanderers really just keep going up and down never never settle down and er sm0752: nm0724: pardon oh [laugh] you're not a Bolton fan are you sorry about that i didn't as opposed to namex which is just going down and down so and so for the underdamped case this is the whole skaboodle this term zeta will go from zero in the case when there's no damping we've just got pure oscillations to one in the case where we were at before the critically damped case and realistically as the term zeta tends towards zero so the oscillations get bigger there's more of them as zeta gets w-, towards one then the oscillations get smaller so so zeta is just a a knob that you can twiddle effectively and between zero and one and as you twiddle it so oscillations get bigger or smaller just just to conclude this and then we'll have a er a breather it's really bringing things together the extremes when zeta is one we've got the case of critical damping that's i know you all know that but i thought i'd write it down just for the sake of completeness and in fact when zeta is greater than one it's not really what we're looking at but when it's greater than one we're off back to the overdamped case and again the extremes the other point was when zeta is zero that's these there's natural frequency oscillations omega-N and they just go on forever and ever and ever and don't die down and i think at this juncture how's about we have 'cause er this is a double header this morning for me isn't it i think sm0753: yeah nm0724: hopefully yeah i'm glad you're giving me support in that yeah so er maybe er as i fancy making myself a cup of coffee if we said five past is that all right five past and we'll get going and we'll get this wrapped up so i'll see you all then have a wonderful time in the fifteen minute break or fourteen minutes