sf5272: okay so we're going to start off talking about hypertension okay so blood pressure is a biological variable that is characteristic to each individual and er within a population the B-P is distributed around a mean level but it does produce an asymmetrical curve because more individuals have high blood pressure than a low one and factors that determine the levels of B-P within a population are things like age and ethnicity er the classification of hypertension is sort of a controversial issue but the W-H-O has said it's about a hundred and sixty over ninety-five millimetres of mercury but i think U-S guidelines have said that it's a hundred and forty over ninety er despite these different values it is known that the risk of mortality and morbidity does rise progressively with increase in systolic and diastolic pressures er if someone does come in with a high blood pressure it's important that you er take subsequent readings and just ta-, and don't take the first one and they should be at least a week apart okay so our case study is Mr G and he's a forty-eight year old male who presented with a two week history of neck stiffness and one episode of vomiting and when his B-P was taken it was found to be two-hundred and twenty-two over a hundred and forty-six and he was an unknown hypertensive okay so the history of the presenting complaint was neck stiffness on waking which was getting progressively worse over the last two weeks and he was having pain on movement which was limiting this er he had no associated nausea er no rash or photosensitivity no headaches blurring of vision or loss of consciousness he had no significant past medical history and he'd had no operations he was on no medication and had no known drug allergies however there was a history of heart disease er he lives alone and he's an electrician his hobbies are walking and he smokes approximately ten a day for the last twenty thirty years and he does drink in excess of forty sixty units a week of alcohol okay so the systems review was unremarkable except for occasional indigestion cramp that he experiences er in either leg usually in the morning and palpitations that were due to anxiety and he had complained of approximately six-month history of slight fatigue that he thought was age- related er on physi-, physical examination o-, on admission his B-P was two hundred and twenty-two over forty-si a hundred and forty-six and even after treatment when we ex-, we examined him it was still a hundred and eighty-four over a hundred and five er on fundoscopy there was found to be bilateral A-V nipping which i'll talk about later and there was no other significant findings okay so fundoscopy is an essential part of an examination on a hypertensive patient er and the abnormalities can be graded as follows so grade one it shows tortuous arteries within er with thick shiny walls grade two is A-V nipping plus er grade one and grade three is flame haemorrhages and cotton wool spots plus grade two and grade four is papilloedema plus grade three okay and i'm just going to show you a picture now of A-V nipping and so this is looking at the artery and the vein within the back of the eye and as you can see here just a slight kinking and narrowing where the artery and the vein cross over okay so now i'm just going to talk about causes of hypertension er there it's either like primary or secondary hypertension and primary otherwise known as essential hypertension counts for ninety per cent of causes of hypertension and it's a multifactorial etiology but recognised factors include genetic factors er foetal factors such as low birth weight and environmental factors such as obesity alcohol high sodium intake and possibly stress er it-, it's known that diabetes and hypertension are linked but just recently er a syndrome X has been linked with er hypertension although the mechanism underlying this is not known but syndrome X includes hyperinsulinemia glucose intolerance a reduced H-D-L cholesterol hypertriglyceridemia and central obesity and it is known that this is a major risk factor for er vascular disease so secondary hypertension needs to be considered er even though it counts for approximately ten per cent of causes of hypertension because you can possibly treat these er and renal causes that count for about eighty per cent of secondary hypertension and the reason it does this is it causes an elevation in the B-P due to the sodium and water retention causes include diabetic retinopathy chronic glomerulonephritis polycystic polycystic disease tubulo-interstitial nephritis and reno-vascular er disease and endocrine causes include Cohn's syndrome which is er results in an excess of er aldosterone there's adrenal hyperplasia pheochromocytoma which er results in sort of noradrenalin adrenaline secreting tumours and Cushing's syndrome okay other causes er are sort of drug causes such as oral contraceptive pill and steroids and in pregnant women they can develop something called pre-eclampsia which is hypertension in pregnancy with proteinuria and this is a medical emergency so now Andy is going to carry on talking about Mr G and talk about the investigations that took place sm5277: okay er right so the investigations were carried out in order to uncover er any treatable causes of secondary er hypertension so got the full blood count urine analysis for protein and red cell casts U's and E's creatinine er blood glucose is important because er diabetes er is associated with er renal vascular disease and atherosclerosis er which may contribute to hypertension serum cholesterol er a chest X-ray looking for enlarged hearts and the E-C-G which er acts as a screen for er left ventricular hypertrophy er which may be a complication of er hypertension right er so in the case of Mr G there was a number of er abnormal results his potassium was er lowered which er may be indicative of hyperaldosteronism er since like the excess aldosterone causes er hypokalemia as well as sodium retention so er that needs to be investigated the urea and creatinine were levels were high which may indicate renal so on further investigation creatinine clearance was found to be low it's normally in the range of about a hundred and ten to a hundred and fifty er mils per minute and renal ultrasound however found er no obvious pathologies so this wasn't really in keeping with the er disease theory so er the cholesterol was in the normal range so he didn't have this additional risk factor for er heart disease E-C-G showed sinus tachycardia no left ventricular hypertrophy and there was no other significant findings okay so differential diagnosis it's likely to be essential hypertension due to the asymptomatic presentation er significant factors to consider in the case of Mr G were his excessive alcohol intake er er and alcohol is one of the most common causes of secondary hypertension and it's thought to cause this by raising cardia-, cardiac output and heart rates er by er a rapid rise in er epinephrine and cortisol levels okay er it's also important to consider er other causes of secondary hypertension and in the case of Mr G the most relevant ones were renal dysfunction and adrenal hypoplasia er but er it's it's also important to consider the fact that er the renal dysfunction could have been caused by the hypertension er itself er and so it's er it's it's sort of the converse theory really er and this this when this occurs when you get sort of er damage to end organs er this is due to er s-, sustained hypertension so i'm just going to talk a little bit about that so the most common sort of organs to be damaged are the brain and the heart so in the brain there's risk of throm- er thrombotic or haemorrhagic strokes er in the heart er left ventricular hypertrophy is a compensatory response to chronically elevated blood pressure er and heart failure may relate to left ventricular hypertrophy or to premature coronary disease er renal failure may also result er and this is caused by reno- vascular damage and glomerulo loss okay so in terms of treatment for er Mr G the aims are to gradually reduce the blood pressure to er under a hundred and forty over eighty-five er and the emphasis was on a gradual reduction because er a rapid reduction in blood er pressure er can be fatal like in the context of er a stroke for example er lifestyle changes are important so a low fat diet weight reduction exercise smoking cessation and most importantly for mister G er reduced alcohol intake er and there's a number of pharmacological measures which can be er used to treat patients er and in the case of Mr G it was decided to use combination therapy so he was er treated with er the following drugs so diuretic bendrofluazide er calcium channel blocker er amlodipine and which er acts as a vasodilator er two different types of beta-blocker plus one atenolol er the second one labetalol has an additional arteriolar vasodilating action which lowers the er peripheral resistance an alpha blocker er which acts as a vasodilator as well doxazosin er and that was it thank you su: namex sm5277: any questions yeah su: what about his neck pain sm5277: his neck pain er it sort of disappeared yeah [laughter] sf5272: when er on examination his neck pain had gone sm5277: yeah sf5272: so he didn't actually have any neck pain so they don't know if it was like a musculoskeletal thing and then when he actually came in that's when they just discovered that he was hypertensive but on examination his range of movem-, movement was fine and he wasn't complaining of any neck pain sf5274: what was the first sort of grade of that retinopathy thing sf5272: what was the first grade sm5277: i'll go back to it if you want sf5272: it was like tortuous arteries an increase in blood pressure basically which is then obviously going in any artery which goes into the eye sm5278: can i just see the drug list again for a moment please sm5277: yeah sm5279: just tell me you've put it on the web and then su: why is it necessary for him to be on atenolol and labetalol sf5272: er when he was in there his blood pressure would not come down it it started to come down and then it would just shoot back up again so they initially started him off only on i think it was thiazide and a beta blocker the atenanol er but then because it kept going back up again they started to use more combination therapy and they thought because it has the arteriolar vasodilating action they thought it might be helpful so they didn't actually put him on labetalol until later on sf5273: okay right er more hypertension basically Neema and i are going to talk about that so er not just a straightforward case of hypertension this one it's something a little more over and above so Judy's already mentioned a few things about hypertension basically it is impossible to define exactly where you're going to cut off these people are hypertensive and these people aren't but er patients who have been given a diagnosis of hypertension it usually has been based on values that have been selected in trials and so on er where above that above that blood pressure there is actually proven health benefit to treatment versus the costs or because a B-P above that level is actually going to give you a significantly increased er level of er risk of adverse events basically so there have been some British guidelines published on this and so treatment basically is recommended for anyone with malignant hypertension which is sort of a sudden increased risk in B-P er patients who have sustained pressures over a hundred and sixty over a hundred which would be on the sort of three subsequent measurements er for patients who fall in the range slightly below that a hundred and forty over ninety and so on er then you have to make the decisions based upon co-morbidities er risk of coronary events from other things such as other risk factors like atherosclerosis and things that we all know about and also concurrent diabetes or end organ damage the presence of those kind of things so er our case study is Mr P-S i'm going to talk about this in a bit of a slightly roundabout fashion rather than talking about his presentation to begin with just to give you some of the background because it kind of makes more sense once you actually know what his history is so background to Mr P-S he's a male aged sixty-six a retired engineer who lives with his wife he's a non-smoker and only drinks occasional alcohol and he doesn't seem to have very many risk factors for hypertension there but in his past medical history he actually has been diagnosed with hypertension since sort of roughly nine years ago and his B-P is usually around the level of a hundred and fifty over ninety so not dra-, dramatically elevated like we've just seen but still high enough to warrant treatment er for about three or four years he's been suffering er periods of super ventricular arrhythmias which i'll come to in a moment and also peripheral vascular disease suffering intermittent claudication on on walking and so on and other slightly less relevant things cholecyst-, systectomy and appendicectomy some years ago so his drug history and treatment includes what you can see here his atrial fibrillation was treated with a couple of episodes of er DC cardioversion to put him back into sinus rhythm er which was successful for a time but usually tended to relapse and eventually it converted itself into an atrial flutter in two-thousand-two so he was sent for er a procedure at the Queen Elizabeth in Birmingham which is a radio-frequency ablation which i don't think i know much about so i won't try and explain that to you er the drugs that he was taking on presentation were an A-C-E inhibitor a beta-blocker and an anti-platelet drug aspirin like most people seem to be so his presentation he was actually admitted by ambulance his presenting complaint was that he'd lost the use of both legs very suddenly and also had lost all sensation below the waist and this had happened about three or four hours before presenting in the morning er to sort of describe how the onset actually happened it was very sudden he des-, er described a sort of a dramatic pain suddenly radiating from his face down his whole body towards his legs and particularly noted chest and back pain which he described as a ripping quality you might be able to see where i'm going here but er anyway it resulted in loss of sensation and movement in both legs er so on examination his Glasgow coma scale was fifteen out of fifteen so he was alert and talkative and he was quite with it er but basically was in a lot of pain and quite ill at the same time notably er his chest was clear his abdomen was soft and tender and he described this back pain but that wasn't tender no sort of musculoskeletal element there and there had been no history of previous trauma or anything to suggest that but basically the warning signs came when you examined his cardiovascular system he had no femoral pulses and actually no pulses in the lower limbs at all on either side and er his neurological assessment showed that sensation was absent in the right and left lower leg from the knee down and also much diminished in the lateral thighs as well er movement and reflexes were absent in both legs so obviously quite a worrying picture fairly dramatic the impression that was recorded at presentation was that this was probably an acute vascular event er an occlusion and they originally suspected that it might be a saddle embolus sitting over the bifurcation of the aortas and obviously blocking off er both of the sort of common iliac vessels and everything below that level er differential really the only other thing that's included is aortic dissection so for some reason they didn't actually assess him any further until the following day which seems a bit odd in the circumstances but at that time on examination his leg sensation had returned actually so that's a good thing er his foot pulses were weak but palpable legs were cold with poor capillary refill er his radial pulses the left pulse was found to be stronger than the right which er we might be able to explain when we come to what was found subsequently and his heart sounds were soft er but er heart sounds one and two were both audible and with a soft early diastolic murmur su: had he had any treatment sorry sf5273: sorry su: had he had any treatment sf5273: no not at this point quite bizarrely so the next thing that happened is he was sent for a C-T scan and er i'm not sure what they were expecting to find but what they did find was a type A aortic dissection extending right from the very root of his aorta down to the bifurcations so pretty drastic kind of dissection there er it's a DeBakey type one Neema's going to mention later on what that actually means so when you look at the anatomy you can see that a d-, dissection of that extent's actually going to involve a lot of branches of the aorta obviously it involved the right coronary origin so obviously affecting the blood supply to the heart itself the left common carotid the left subclavian origin and the brachiocephalic trunk and coeliac origin and it extended along the superior mesenteric artery but that wasn't actually majorly compromised and involved the left renal origin and the inferior me-, mesenteric artery and he did actually suffer some subsequent kidney failure so in of the left kidney so we'll see about that in a moment er the distal aorta obviously severely compromised no blood flow having got to his legs at the initial presentation so they did actually commence treatment at this point g-, gave him some heparin thank god and basically rushed him for some emergency surgery to repair the dissection so the risks of this surgery basically it's very high if you're if you're not going to operate then it's pretty drastic and a lot of patients die i'm not entirely sure of the figures because obviously aortic dissections each to their own they all differ in their extent but for something that that drastic you really you are going to have to have surgery there's no two ways about it so the surgery itself mortality's approximately twenty per cent there's obviously a risk of stroke paraplegia and kidney failure as we said because ob-, obviously all this surgery involves clamping vessels and going on p-, bypass and things like that so the outcome of the treatment itself the surgery whilst they were actually sending him into bypass he had his first cardiac arrest er but they did manage to pull him back from that one and continue with the operation long enough to give him a a knitted graft whatever er Gelscal triaxial graft i think Doctor Shiu could tell you more about that than i could er they only repaired actually the proximal aorta sort of in the ascending region which er would kind of cut out the bit the opening as it were to the dissection they didn't actually repair the entire length of the aorta because that would be very complicated with all the branches and so on so if you can imagine that in your head's er they had to re-suspend the aortic valve which is quite common when er the ascending aorta's involved because that can sort of either the root of the aorta can be dilated and so on which can compromise the valve function they also drained the pericardial effusion and took him to an I-C-U at which point he had his second cardiac arrest including a su-, sudden drop in blood pressure so they rapidly opened his chest and basically found that he had a huge clot in his right atrium which they extracted and after which he managed to sort of stabilise again er suffered some subsequent tachyarrhythmia which were treated with ad-, amiodarone and he also had a creatinine rise and was sub-, subsequently found to have had left kidney failure from probably resulting from the original dissection rather than the surgery er so the outcome happily in the end he for some reason it was a miracle seeing as he walked into our clinic and has no persistent neurological defects he has palpable femoral pulses and palpable foot pulses with a good perfusion and basically's very lucky to be alive i think but that's a rather dramatic presentation of hypertension for you so over to Neema sm5280: okay so i'm just going to talk about er aortic dissection which the majority of you probably all know like a bit about it it's generally where there's er a tear in the intima and blood can blood can surge between the two layers or two of the three layers of the aortic wall and as a result when the blood goes between the layers you create a another lumen so you get a a true and a false lumen occurring and this can happen to a variable extent along the length of the aorta generally in an antrograde direction which is downwards to anyone who didn't know what antrograde is like me and so in this case it happened throughout the whole length of the aorta er it's also er well i'm not sure worthwhile to know but up to an eighth of cases there is no intimal tear in somebody with aortic dissection from the literature that i read and this can happen when er the vaso vasorum the the small vessels that supply nutrients to the wall of the aorta they can rupture and you can get an intramural haematoma so there was actually no insult to the er intima aortic dissections are three times more common in men than in women they're more common in black and less common in Asian people and about three-quarters of aortic dissection occur between the ages of forty and seventy okay as the dissection advanta-, advances down the down the length of the aorta it can occlude arteries that happen to branch off so consequences of this can include a stroke and a heart attack sudden abdominal pain lower back pain and nerve damage so factors that can predispose somebody to getting aortic dissections er er mainly hypertension which is found in the great majority of people with aortic dissection atherosclerosis er cystic medial necrosis which er i couldn't really tell you much about i think it's just a pathology of the er of the tunica media where you get a loss of elastin and weakness in fibres and you get some mucoid polysaccharide build up there but that's not important but you you see it in conditions such as Marfan's syndrome Ehlers-Danlos syndrome and something you will never need to know about but but there's some other causes as well aortic stenosis prosthetic aortic valve trauma pregnancy and there's a list of other causes as well so the types of dissection there's two different types of classification there's a DeBakey classification and there's the Stanford classification and as we've said th-, our case Mr P-S i think he was called er has had a DeBakey type one which involves the entire aorta type two just affects the ascending aorta and type three just the descending aorta the Stanford classification is a bit simpler whether it involves the ascending aorta or it doesn't so if it does then it has to be a type A if it doesn't it's a type B simple as that so what are the clinical presentations by far and away the most common presentation is that of chest pain the pain is sharp tearing intractable chest pain which is abrupt and of maximal intensity straight from the onset which is unlike what we learnt last week ischemic pain which has a crescendo quality to it two-thirds of patients have a murmur or a bruit of aortic regurgitation and this is where you get a circumferential er lesion basically from the dissection which alters the shape of the aortic valve causing aortic regurgitation and normally in people with aortic regurgitation they'll get er left ventricular dilatation in chronic cases but somebody like this where it's very sudden sudden and acute aortic regurgitation can cause left re-, er left ventricular failure other clinical presentations you should look for is somebody who is hypertensive i.e. somebody who's got a high predisposition to getting an aortic dissection who is now hypotensive and shocked on examination they may have asymmetrical pulses er because you can get pulse deficits where arteries are getting occluded basically which may appear and disappear over time they may have pulmonary oedema neurological deficits and cardiac tamponade so looking at imaging on chest X-rays you can see all those different stuff which to be honest i wouldn't be able to tell you what they look like on a chest X-ray apart from the picture on the far on the top right you can see mediastinal widening i can't really see anything else er M-R- I you can see an intimal flap or a slow flow or clot in the false lumen which you can see on this next picture see round about here that's where the false lumen is and here you can see where the the intima has closed in and where you get accumulation of blood in the outer layer so the prognosis the long term survival of somebody who's survived an acute episode is sixty per cent over five years and it's forty per cent over a ten year period however that's if they manage to get through the acute ph-, the acute problem seventy five per cent of untreated people die within a fortnight a third of them er from late deaths of the complications of dissection and two-thirds are due to other diseases which i i'm not quite sure what they are because i couldn't find them but er before i go onto treatment er something to do with prognosis is that i read somewhere that for every hour you leave somebody with er a dissection untreated increase their mortality by one per cent so if you leave somebody for two days untreated they'll have a fifty per cent mortality so treatment if somebody's got a dissection and you're in A and E and you see somebody the initial treatment should always be medical sorry i had to laugh at that so er because mortality is highest in the first few hours following a dissection immediate er pharmacological intervention is needed you need drugs that will lower the blood pressure so a combination of sodium nitroprusside and a beta blocker are needed er the sodium nitroprusside is a vasodilator and will reduce er vascular resistance and the beta blocker will reduce cardiac output and i've put down some doses of what you'd typ-, typically give er to somebody but i won't leave that on it's not too important except for on here i've put propranolol a lot of doctors would probably disagree with me and say labetalol's probably a better one because it's a non-specific alpha and beta blocker so what about surgery well surgery is generally reserved for those who have dissections in the first few inches of the aorta as it comes out of the heart and it's pretty much done always in this case unless there are complications which will make surgery too risky however dissections that are further away from the heart it should always be medically treated and they probably treat it for the rest of their life er however there are some indications where you'll need to do surgery whenever there's a a leakage of blood a clot or they've got something like Marfan's syndrome er i haven't read this er the surgical mortality in major medical centres with interest in aortic dissection is about fifteen per cent and somewhat higher for distal dissections as i said before all patients er including those treated surgically should be treated medically with beta blockers calcium channel blockers and A-C-E inhibitors the most important late complications you'll get with aortic dissections is re-dissection formation of localised aneurysms er this is probably a pseudo aneurysm where you get a hole in the aorta and blood can seep in and get trapped by the soft tissues around it and also progressive aortic valve insufficiency and that's me done sf5281: i was just wondering you know when it actually er tears and the sort of dissection evolves does it literally happen like a tear or is it gradual sm5280: it happens like a tear sf5281: so it can go literally right down sm5280: well no it's well it depends on the people if somebody's got a cystic medial necrosis where there's actual pathology of the the media then you're bound to get it a lot quicker than somebody who's who's got normal aorta like the tissue's fine but hypertensive because the actual integrity of the tissue is there sf5273: i sort of think it sort of pushes itself it's way through under pressure from like you know beating of the heart basically so it won't just sort of be instant but it will sort of push it's way through sm5280: so hence the need for the the beta blocker and like something to reduce vascular resistance su: how could they repair it if they only repaired the top bit and it was all the way down did they just sort of leave it and hope for the best sf5273: well if you if you imagine that the a-, aorta's sort of you know like that the entrance to the dissection as it were is in the ascending aorta but there's no sort of entry or exit of blood through the rest of it so by repairing the entrance to the dissection the rest of it's just going to be cut off from the main lumen sf5275: when he bled did he just bleed into the mediastinum is that why he didn't vascular collapse sm5280: well that that's more of a rupture it because when blood goes in between the two layers they can either it can either break back in to the lumen of the the vessel in which case no blood will be lost because it's just going out into between the layers and then back in it can also go out of which in that case it's effectively an aortic rupture and so will probably go to the retroperitoneal space now if blood happened to escape the retroperitoneal space into the peritoneum they're pretty much going to die if it stays in the retroperitoneum the prognosis is a lot better it holds a lot less blood sf5273: but in that case it just it sort stayed within the rather than like actually leaking out of the aorta itself sm5282: okay er our talk is actually on left ventricular failure it may not sound like that at the beginning but er bear with us we think it is er it's Mrs W she's a seventy-three year old female and she presented with chest pain and shortness of breath the chest pain was sudden onset she was actually asleep at night and woke with this chest pain and breathlessness and she described the pain as retrosternal radiating to the back it was a dull ache she described the intensity as six out of ten and it lasted for approximately thirty minutes it wasn't relieved by her G-T-N spray and er she did say it was associated with sweating breathlessness which was at rest and a wheeze she had no palpitations no nausea and no vomiting before this episode she did have er three pillow orthopnoea P-N-D she described her exercise being limited to thirty yards er but felt that the limiting factor in that case was actually her arthritis in her knees and hips she had mild pedal oedema er and important negatives she had no dizziness no peripheral vascular disease no cough no sputum and no history of any respiratory conditions C-O-P-D asthma her past medical history in two two-thousand-two she was admitted to hospital with what she described as fluid on her lungs she's had hypertension i think it was for approximately twenty years her angina she's had since nineteen-seventy-five in nineteen-sixty-eight she had a thyroidectomy and er she's had osteoarthritis in her lower back knees and hips she's no history of diabetes rheumatic fever or stroke social history she lives at home with her husband er her husband is severely limited with his daily tasks due to breathing problems and unfortunately for them both they live in an upstairs council maisonette they can cope with their their normal activities of daily living and er last year they sold the car and they now use taxis and share a mobility scooter to go to the shops taking it in turns to ride on the back of course er she stopped smoking twenty-five years ago er and she currently drinks slightly more than she possibly should at er twenty-one to twenty-eight units of alcohol a week family history er her father died of an M- I when he was sixty-five mother died of breast cancer aged eighty-four one brother has an angiogram she doesn't speak to the brother so doesn't really know the history behind any of that and her other two brothers are both well she has no other family history of note her drug history pre-admission er aspirin anti-platelet a hundred and fi-, well i'll let you read the doses prazosin again for her high blood pressure her sustained release nifedipine for high blood pressure angina her loop diuretic simvastatin and her G-T-N spray and will go through the rest of it sm5283: the salient points on examination er she was slightly bradycardic but er that's probably due to the medication she was on at the time when we examined her er she still had moderately high blood pressure er J-V-P wasn't raised she had mild sort of pitting ankle oedema but she had varicosities so i put it down to poor venus return er J-V-P wasn't raised so er she was a rather great big obese lady so er it was quite difficult to palpate her apex beat er couldn't palpate it heart sounds one and two were present but they were quite soft again probably due to her obesity she had a late systolic murmur er probably suggesting mitral reflux and la-, late systolic prolapse er she had oh that that should read right-sided carotid br-, bruits not bilateral and a slight expiratory wheeze when we listened to her lungs but on admission she had bibasal crackles okay the investigations that were done er chest X-ray unfortunately was an A-P view but the heart looked fairly big but you can't be sure more importantly er lung fields were clear but she had er had frusemide by that time er E-C-G showed S-T depression and also there was a positive troponin T so that indicates she's had a non S-T elevation myocardial infarction er all other bloods were normal apart from potassium which was slightly low er again that's because she was on diuretics and her echo actually showed reasonable left ventricular function and right ventricular function so i'm starting to think that maybe this is er diastolic left-sided failure rather than systolic so basically she can squeeze the blood out okay it's just not there's a problem with filling okay so impressions she's had a N-S-T-E-M-I er acute left ventricular failure secondary to the N-S-T-E-M-I and there her sort of other risks er in order of importance systemic hypertension er long standing ischemic heart disease er mitral prolapse er she's possibly alcoholic and atherosclerosis and obesity okay this is the acute treatment er you'd sort of do this in this order sit the patient upright but the oedema usually resolves itself in about ten to thirty minutes so she might be okay by the time you get there hundred per cent oxygen er I-V frusemide er put the cannula in so you've got diamorphine next also reassure the patient and keep them calm and then er rather than sublingual again that shouldn't be there I-V er isosorbide mononitrate and also monitor the B-P while you're doing this er so this was done in this patient and also her drugs were reviewed er she was put on a more appropriate sort of A-C-E inhibitor and given a beta blocker er only a cardiologist in this circumstance can initiate the beta blocker because he might worsen the cardiac failure by giving her that but in the long term er especially that one metoprolol er has produced good results it reduces symptoms rather than mortality A-C-E inhibitor itself reduces mortality and symptoms also various lifestyle changes er reducing her alcohol low sodium diet you don't need to restrict fluid until heart failure's a lot more severe than this and that's about it it's a common condition ten per cent of over seventy-five year olds er one-point-eight per cent of twenty-five to seventy-five year olds in the West Midlands okay thanks nm5271: the retinal appearance show that of hypertensive changes i don't suppose you showed any actual pictures you did what sort of changes did he have in his su: sort of A-V nipping nm5271: A-V nipping er you discussed the so called secondary and primary hypertension in this case you decided it was due to any particular cause sf5272: alcohol excess alcohol that he drank nm5271: yes how many units was he taking sf5272: about forty to sixty units a week nm5271: right pretty average for Coventry folk as it happens it's very difficult to prove that that caused the hypertension but there's certainly a lot of studies showing that if you are hypertensive that amount of alcohol will make your hypertension harder to treat of course there are other illnesses from alcohol on the heart we can address that later did he respond to therapy sf5272: er in the end he did initially he didn't his hyperten-, his blood pressure kept going back up again so they just tried different combinations of er medication nm5271: okay er the standard approach is really just focus on the history for a primary cause of hypertension usually that really virtually el-, eliminates the majority of so-called secondary hypertension i.e. this primary disease in other words if a patient present with kidney failure present with er chronic urinary tract infection and a history of paranephritis or something like that you know there's a renal cause there are patients who present with other medical conditions such as Cushing's disease so in the course of your other medical conditions you find hypertension you're not surprised but when you first diagnose the hypertension taking a history such as this one with actually no background chances are you're dealing with essential hypertension er now i think it's quite interesting to contrast this patient with the heart failure patient in various ways i mean the interesting thing about medicine is that given any particular disease diagnosis you want to know what is a patient's perception of his condition and how is he he's how he's going to respond to treatment or a psychological response if you think of hypertension and heart failure you can't be more contrastive the hypertensive usually don't know what the fuss is about that's a problem he has the condition but a lot of the time you have to convince him that he has it and therefore he will accept your treatment with the heart failure patient it is quite the opposite by the time you diagnose it the patient's usually symptomatic that's the case isn't it in your patient with heart failure i think it does illustrate a lot because it influences how you counsel the patient and how likely he is to comply with his medications i say that interestingly hypertensive patients are the least likely to comply with medications if you actually do surveys something like forty to sixty per cent of patients do not take their the medications according to instructions but by the time you consider heart failure then you have a much higher percentage and the reasons are very obvious in the hypertension they're not symptomatic the patient sometimes never quite convinced that he has to take these nasty medications so i think that you have a job to do there now back to er i i put up this slide and if you if you like i'll fo-, show some prepared pictures that one shows one of the more common conditions which is really renal artery disease however that's very much age-related the older the patient the more evidence of artery disease elsewhere the more likely you'll find artery disease causing renal artery cyanosis thereby causing hypertension but of course in medical student tex-, text books that's high up on the lists of all various causes yes it is if you look at the elderly people and it is not often that it requires any attention so it's i think it's accepted as one of the causes but usually there's evidence of widespread artery disease so probability wise again the history taking will help you if somebody has evidence of artery disease elsewhere any suggestion how it might show up in the history hands up evidence of artery disease elsewhere nm5271: yes i think that's one of the best ones right if you've got low intermittent claudication chances are you've got disease in your aorta and really the kidneys arteries are not far away er of course patients with er coronary artery disease and severe hypertension so i think the point is we look for is where patients do not respond now of on first presentation of course you would do various tests and the simplest one is really simply electrolyte and urea and that's pretty good pointer to any chronic renal problem in the young for example younger populations you look for evidence of kidney infection in particular in females why females because cystitis and pyelonephritis is far more common in female gender because of a urinary tract tendency to get infected so that's the kidney side definition is difficult you will find again again when you come across patients with high blood pressure you ask them they say oh my doctor last checked my blood pressure he tells me it's usually alright it is very difficult to establish whether somebody in fact one has had hypertension not treated or hasn't had hypertension and never had it checked the government is really trying a big drive in making sure that there are so- called well men clinics well women clinics that there is so-called opportunistic checking of high blood pressure i stress this because hypertension is one of those conditions that's more often diagnosed opportunistically in other words the patient goes and seek advice for something totally different check picked up er patient will seek advice for for example contraceptive pill that's definitely an indication to check the high bl-, check the B-P of course if that's high then it's relative contraindication and a lot of the time the patient comes in for hip operations hernia operations so all these opportunities are for us to pick the diagnosis now what is normal what is abnormal strangely you will have thought that this is a condition that nobody will argue about but physicians or cardiologists themselves have been moving the goal posts so we can't blame other specialists not to be up to date and if you look at this it's pretty severe definition of normal versus abnormal and you might wonder why we're moving the goal posts if you look at this now er adults eighteen years and older so it doesn't apply to most of you here optimal one twenty systolic diastolic eighty normal up to one thirty in fact i bet you one or two of you sitting here will have that kind of reading so go home get it checked er we begin to run into real problem with the elderly and partly like all other conditions British physicians have been reluctant to inc-, how should i say it include more patients as it were in other words they are very very prone to see a patient with say age seventy-five with blood pressure one eighty over ninety a lot a lot of primary care physicians and G-P's will just say oh well it's alright for your age or is it i'll show you the evidence it is not alright so therefore regardless of age we now recognise that blood pressure below one forty systolic is preferred and i sorry should be really not above ninety what sort of problem do we raise we may diagnose a lot of hypertension does it matter if we diagnose a lot of hypertension it doesn't why at least you will keep checking you may not treat after the first reading you may not even treat after the second reading but you will begin to at least counsel the patient and look for risk factors such as what we just discussed because hypertension's a condition a a best example of what we call preventive treatment heart failure isn't and we can talk about that later hypertension definitely is okay so we're very strict we have moved the goal posts and i will put this on the net if you want but it is of course in the text books er so it's quite severe and i'll explain to you the reasons now A-V nipping i hope you did explain what causes A-V nipping sf5272: it's the hardening of the arteries nm5271: that's right it's hardening normally the arteries and veins are quite soft in fact right so really very mild grade one most people won't be able to diagnose that unless you are very very good at looking at it right and this is where great tool moderate sclerosis is increased light reflex and compression of veins at crossings this is what we mean and this is a good example there it's very simply the bigger veins the smaller ones are arteries and the crossover is so i won't dwell on that and of course the increasing stages where there are so-called high exudates and haemorrhages and of cause papilloedema and this is when patients begin to have visual symptoms and that's quite severe and you will see this in so really so-called hypertensive encephalopathy we very very rarely see that now fortunately partly because of this drive to pick up hypertension when it's mild and treat and it is quite interesting when i was a medical student really an acute take often includes the hypertensive crisis it is now very rare so i think the primary care system has helped left ventricular hypertrophy a lot of people worry about this and you know including very seasoned doctors how do you diagnose left ventricular hypertrophy on the E- C-G the answer is if it's overt it's very easy if it's subtle you just have to again go back to square one no don't read the history and look at the patient if somebody gives me an E-C-G and say look tell me where the left ventricular hypertrophy i just won't give the answer at all why because it the the chap's history and even the physical form influences the E-C-G and the best example would be amongst some of you i bet i will find the so-called text book measurement of left ventricular hypertrophy why louder hands up sm5280: is is because of just the difference in people's body shape nm5271: alright sm5280: like short fat people might have a displaced apex nm5271: not so much displaced subcutaneous fat is very good at er reducing voltage and vice versa if we are dealing a very thin patient you have increased voltage don't forget E-C-G is taken on the surface you're trying to draw a conclusion deduction about the heart that's one er another reason why some of you sitting here may have significant left ventricular hypertrophy on the E-C-G su: level of fitness nm5271: yes level of fitness so physiological left ventricular hypertrophy in other words what people know about is the slowing down of the heart rate but in addition it is of course a a physiological response to exercise that you have got left ventricular hypertrophy of course you won't reach this stage i use this slide to show that really if you are going to a gym regularly and you have an E-C-G like this i'd worry because you're not supposed to reach this stage and what you see here is apart from an increased voltage which is pretty obvious there is also abnormal T waves especially in V-four to V-six er it is in fact very difficult to understand why the T waves behave like that but take it from me it is a feature of very se-, severe left ventricular hypertrophy it is doubtful whether that's reversible now but if it's not reversible that means there's something structurally wrong while you undergo physiology training you've got left ventricular hypertrophy if you train the voltage will go down in other words the er heart is quite capable of hypertrophy and then become thinner what's the difference between hypertrophy and hyperplasia nm5271: and when do you get hyperplasia in the heart nm5271: well done no never the heart muscle cells do not duplicate any more after the person's mature so all you get is hyper-, hypertrophy in other words increase in cell size rather than increase in cell number anyway so much for that er a much more specific way if one of you come to my clinic and say your G- P's picked up your E-C-G's quite abnormal a lot of voltage i take a history you do go to the gym er but perhaps the E-C-G's a little too much for what it is so the next test is a echocardiogram er i'm not sure whether i have included i was going to put an echo there but i didn't anyway so where various investigations will be according to how how much you want to assess the patient the echocardiogram is a superb tool for establishing left ventricular hypertrophy don't look at this slide just yet it is also very good for assessing whether there are so-called end stage sorry not not end organ damage alright these are these are the terms that you want to pick up when you deal with hypertension if it's picked up early and no damage in the organ we really only refer to three serious organs the brain the heart and the kidney alright the eye is part of the brain if you like by the time you've got all the eye changes really that is end organ damage er this patient as far as i know had no renal damage and h-, has no er is that right no kidney disease sf5272: he didn't have any disease but his creatinine and urea was up but we thought that was due to the hypertension damaging it nm5271: right who was going to present the aortic dissection or was that presented su: yep nm5271: it was in that case was there a history sf5273: er his medical history included er hypertension for about nine years super ventricular arrhythmias and intermittent cau-, claudication nm5271: was that the adequately investigated and treated do you think sf5273: his arterial disease i don't nm5271: or hypertension sf5273: er he was on an ACE inhibitor and a beta blocker and an anti-platelet nm5271: so he was quite vigorously treated so this come to this is the next slide alright so you have two examples where really one is early presenting minimal signs of hypertension and you have somebody who is now one into one of the really most serious complications of hypertension er but it is not unheard of put it the other way it is exceedingly rare to have aortic dissection if you weren't hypertensive so you can look at it the other way you can have a stroke you can have a heart attack you get kidney trouble without hypertension but aortic dissection would be very rare unless you have specific conditions affecting the aorta now this is a very busy slide so on the whole i don't like busy slides but it says that i've been trying to look for a slide like this for a long time i've it's only in preparing this lecture i found it and i want you to take note of it it teaches you so much on the on the horizontal axis obviously you will find that the high the blood pressure of increasing degree just look at this first column first systolic blood pressure up to one nine five cholesterol like that glucose tolerance normal no cigarette smoking E-C-G is normal so in other words this patient may take the worst case patient with a systolic B-P of over one is normal it's very good now move to the next category and take this the middle category instead now same sort of blood pressure ranges one o five to one nine five instead now this is American reading and cholesterol three three five that is something like er sixty per cent above normal so it would be something like seven cholesterol or seven instead upper limit normal in this country's five and there is now mild there is now glucose intolerance in other words the patient is a diabetic but otherwise doesn't smoke and no evidence of E-C-G or rate but what it shows here this is an eight year probability per one thousand patient you are now moving from something like a hundred er events to four-hundred events per thousand in other words in eight years roughly half of those patients will have a significant cardiovascular event what does that tell you hypertension per se is not so bad but if you've got all these other risk factors in the worst case really scary if you've got that kind of blood pressure systolic of one-hundred and ninety- five and what i said earlier on there are patients out there walking around aged seventy with systolic hypertension like that untreated and you have almost a certainty that within eight years you have a major cardiovascular event and of course this group has got all these but then it is not difficult to find cigarette smoking non-insulin dependant diabetes and high cholesterol some people have put a name to this condition they call it syndrome X to me it's it's very confusing i think calling it insulin resistance is probably much more er if you like specific it is suspected that this is a group of patients who otherwise er are no by self no major single risk but by the time you put it all together mild hypertension glucose intolerance usually some obesity and you have a very major cardiovascular risk what that tells you is so-called the multiplying effect of m-, of coronary risk factors in other words by the time you add things together they multiply rather than just addition as it happens there are very few patients in this category it seems as if really things can be grouped together in this fashion there by the time you look at if there are hypertensives in fact most of them are from this column to the right which goes back to the concept of so-called glu- glucose intolerance may be a grouped condition are they inherited together or affecting the genes together and this is now the most fashionable hypothesis now it's quite important for you to know this can now be called now the Barker hypothesis that among the peasant Western population i stress that for the moment there there is an increasing prevalence of people with this particular syndrome by themselves each of the risk factors don't seem very severe but they are lumped together as a group anybody ever read the Barker hypothesis as to what is causing this upsurge of group risk and ischemic heart disease in the Western population su: is it low birth weight nm5271: yes very good low birth weight so it was a very interesting epidemiological study somebody happened while Doctor Barker happened to be reviewing some records that were about to be chucked out in East Anglia fifty years ago somebody housed in some sort of barn or something and er apparently the East Anglians don't move around very much so he was able to correlate sort of fifty years on people's birth weight birth weight with cardiovascular risk apart from birth weight there were other measures er which is really skull size versus length now what is behind the hypothesis let's see whether you read beyond that did you what is the hypothesis behind the birth weight because this is now the most interesting aspect of this condition i would say speak up sf5276: was it developmental risk factors er du-, in during pregnancy nm5271: no i don't think it's necessary injury it's very hard to prove injury sm5280: is it something to do with it's supposed to reflect like the life course of the parents or you know nm5271: yes i'm sure it does yeah yeah yeah i in other words possibly relatively under nutrition of the maternal mother well sorry of the mother alright and there is a very good evolutionary explanation to this who can come up with a plausible evolutionary explanation sm5280: you try and retain sodium if you don't have it in your diet or something nm5271: yeah may not may not be just with sodium right this the hypothesis is that this is maladaptation right it seems that evolution takes c-, cares of our i-, if our if you like er survival in a very slow way but society is changing in a fast way if you look at it like that it's fine in other words it seems and it is now being shown again and again in other emerging populations and that's why it's very important to understand if you starve a population of mice let's not talk about people for the moment starve a population of mice the next generation of mice if you keep them starved they're alright but if you now feed the next generation very well that generation will suffer tremendous er high er cholesterol problems so it is very easy to understand it could be that genetic or or according to Darwinian explanation this is really how genes are supposed to work if you've got a population exposed to relative malnutrition the next generation is prepared for hardship but then there's the then the environment changes very fast instead of hardship you get Western lifestyle hamburgers and all that it's very bad news now although it may seem you know very cute as it happens it's seriously worrying all the emerging under developed countries which are becoming wealthy and China is a very good good example and even more worrying is the whole of the African continent and South America as well there's an explosion of coronary artery disease diabetes hypertension so i think this is no longer just a cute observation it's a very good animal experiment data very good and in time i'm sure we will establish something about the switching on and off of genes now because it's getting late we haven't got a lot of time i'm going to switch straight over to talk about how heart failure also brings in very interesting evolutionary ideas of maladaptation i'll just briefly hear from your heart failure stories first though nm5271: summarise in five sentences sm5283: Mrs W a seventy-three year old er presented with shortness of breath and chest pain nm5271: how old sm5283: seventy-three year old nm5271: seventy-three year old sm5283: er she was found to have a N-S-T-E-M-I precipitated the pulmonary oedema and so and so i think the echo didn't find anything wrong with the left ventricular function so it must be query diastolic and left ventricular dysfunction nm5271: mm yeah sm5283: systolic nm5271: yeah and sm5283: on examination there was no evidence of cardiomegaly and couldn't feel the nm5271: okay and this is a lady who eventually was found to have coronary artery disease as well sm5283: she had a nm5271: and she's waiting for emergency surgery i think i'm pretty sure sm5283: we had examined her before that stage nm5271: yeah she is right so er that patient then has surprisingly at age seventy something presented for the first time with heart failure and it is in through that route that we find that she has coronary artery disease alright there's no previous warning that she has angina or heart attack correct sm5283: er she had a twenty-five year old history of angina she said it was being managed by her G-P nm5271: right no M-I good now what are the learning points there er i could use the slide but i i feel i'd rather just i don't think i'll talk about drug treatment it'll be too much let's see how if i open my heart failure meanwhile how do i get out of this sorry i should be able to close this and open if any of you attended my heart failure lecture some of the slides you may have seen if you have okay it's too long that's even worse that one so i think that this may be even if if somebody present with angina or N-S-T-E-M-I and immediately complains of shortness of breath we'd worry same thing in a clinic patient with just angina should not seriously have shortness of breath unless they confuse the chest pain with shortness of breath you have to immediate suspect heart failure as well as angina if you don't suspect that you-, you're never to diagnose it you're never going get a patient on the right treatment in other words every time you hear somebody with angina you ask them apart from the chest pain do you get shortness of breath as well why is it so important because angina should not cause shortness of breath angina means just restriction of blood vessels in the myocardium not necessarily damaging the heart and by the time patients have genuine shortness of breath symptoms that means they have damaged the heart ischemic damage there are two ways coronary artery disease damages the heart the overt way of course having an M-I how would a patient with-, without an M-I damage the myocardium any suggestion sf5281: compensatory hypertrophy nm5271: that's an interesting one but i think that comes later compensatory hypertrophy i'm going to touch on in a minute but why should somebody just suffering from angina for the last twelve years now have got heart failure with echo evidence of enlargement of the heart su: have they got something like aortic stenosis nm5271: no let's not bring in other things coronary artery disease itself is quite sufficient to cause trouble interestingly if you were to do surveys of heart failure er especially in the older age group and in fact coronary artery disease is the single most common explanation hypertension is the second most common i think so your explanation of secondary failure to hypertension is related with hypertension but let's keep things pure and simple for the moment coronary artery disease sorry angina well what i'm trying to illustrate is that angina is only what the patient feels what we worry about is ongoing damage of the myocardium without infarct trouble is there are many ways they do it and sometimes they are more a silent infarct even silent infarct is too narrow a definition in other words silent infarct really is an event it's just the patient doesn't have pain but it is usually an event either documented incidentally with an E-C-G or patient come in with real heart failure and then you then document silent infarct unfortunately coronary disease can quietly cause myocardial damage nobody quite understands it could be that each time there is really severe angina maybe the patient just treat it like another episode of bad angina on the golf course in fact there's a bit of myocardial damage why do we posture for that the reason we do is that by the time you examine an old patient with angina many years never had an infarct they die of another cause you look at the heart it's got various bits which is necrosed or scarred and that really is a worry about coronary artery disease that there can be ongoing damage i'm sure with our if you like more specific means of diagnosing small infarcts reminding the population remind the caring practioners to send this patient with so-called unstable angina then we're done using more of these now why do i use the words so-called unstable angina er i'm going to come to that slide later i want to use this opportunity to clarify one point about the word angina it causes confusion in medical students in doctors in students sorry in er in patients alright we should really eliminate the term angina or unstable angina from the text books now the confusion it has caused is that the patient never understands what angina means if the doctors confuse m-, small myocardial infarcts with angina angina as a term should be restricted in very very narrow usage of patients with chest pain with exception which goes away with rest very simple that's a classical text book desc-, desc-, description who first described it in the literature su: Heberden Heberden nm5271: Heberden well done and er he described it very very well as well alright you know definitely associated with severe gripping pain with instruction which is relieved by rest unfortunately for some years it's the cardiologist's fault they come across patients who come in with same pain no E- C-G evidence of a infarct so many years we call this unstable angina then the patients that get very confused and the other doctors get confused and they begin to use the word angina very loosely infarcts are infarcts angina's fortunately we now have very specific cardiac markers called troponin T er C-K is not bad the so-called creatinine kinase in especially the but anyway soon as the introduction of these very sensitive markers we now know in a patient of chest pain at rest they have a small infarct in other words we can get rid of the term unstable angina we might as well call a spade a spade it's a small infarct and chances are unless you pick these up the patient will keep on doing these small infarcts that's how they damage the heart and that's quite worrying it's almost like kidney disease isn't it if somebody has kidney disease the kidneys are losing nephron and i think we have to begin to look at the heart as losing myocytes they're not difficult concept but in medicine it seems that certain concepts are much harder to introduce than others really er possibly because kidneys easy to measure we measure kidney function with a blood test so there you are one group coronary artery disease lose muscle now i'll come back to the concept of hy-, hypertrophy can you enlarge on what you said sf5281: i've been thinking about that nm5271: you were waiting for me to come back to you sf5281: er i guess if you're not if you're not perfusing the myocardium er there may be an el-, element where you're not your output is less so you get a larger end diastolic volume and so there is hypertrophy as a result of that nm5271: good okay that's what cardiology have been trying to struggle with for some years yes trying to use the idea that left ventricular hypertrophy eventually runs out of it's blood supply er i think i was taught it when i was when i was medical student it's essentially rather naive idea because we do know that those of you again athletes listen er physiological hypertrophy of the same degree it's got no problem right so therefore if pure L-, L-V-H as such by itself is shouldn't be a problem and do not deal with blood supply it is to do really how should i put it it it has to do with why there is L-V-H in the first place it seemed that if you've got o-, overt pressure overall it's particularly bad for the myocardium if you've got er if you see in this physiological adaptation of the heart most mostly it's due to what we call er endurance exercise the endurance athletes those of you who are runners can feel relaxed because that's been shown again and again to be good left ventricular hypertrophy now by saying that it would imply that the other athletes are not so good in other words what's the opposite of the endurance athlete nm5271: the weight lifters alright and the the the weight lifters will appear to cause more concentric inward thickening of the myocardium and this is a very good example that slide there shows it er that the heart has not enlarged upwards the cavity's interfered with and that wall thickness is thick that introduces a very difficult concept it seems there's some inward thickening of left ventricular hypertrophy due to pressure overload really the the weight lifters you will see that really increases systolic blood pressure like mad when they pump the iron and the runners don't the runners increase cardiac output so again think of evolution it seems that our body is adapted for endurance exercise and not adapted for weight lifting i suppose it's not difficult do you imagine evolutionary process of humans you know we were we were surviving on large plains running from tigers and lions and that's how they survived they don't spend all their time lifting rocks there's another cute story about evolution now because i only want to spend ten more minutes and then we're finished why do i bring in evolution what is wrong with heart failure that we seem to be struggling with okay so we've finished the story now that for some reason pathological left ventricular hypertrophy lead to changes we're beginning to understand now it is to do with the abnormal how should i say its not just blood supply it's obvious that the hypertensive heart has quite adequate blood supply if you do all sorts of checking of ischemia they don't have ischemia and yet the L-V-H lead to heart failure it is something to do with switching on some genes that causes your heart muscle to the the myocyte to fail we haven't got all the answers yet but interestingly it is to it will explained by certain genet-, er gene switching and somehow the thyroid hormone is involved not at body level but local mutilisation of thyroid hormone so it's very strange but we know we will get an answer there and this picture's to illustrate how patients can move from that phase to this phase to show tremendous [dilatation] of the left ventricle this these two slides illustrate the power of a really easy cheap non-invasive test echocardiogram so patients with hypertension patients with heart failure really must have these tests er kidney in heart failure go on then go on then and our list here then what i said earlier on potential causes of heart failure it is very good to have this kind of idea behind when you treat a patient of course ischemic heart disease as i mentioned the damage from coronary artery disease maybe actually environmental hypertension large unknown alcohol features quite high here diabetes systemic disease dilated cardiomyopathy there are known ones there is no history maybe the patient has been hypertensive er sorry the V-H-D valvular heart disease of course this changes a lot depending on what patient population if you are caught in the Far East valvular heart disease will overtake ischemic heart disease for the moment quite a lot of unknowns in fact will have some form of viral heart disease in the past a lot of them but you can't prove it alright right so that's give you an idea i think i will skip that it is largely a disease of old age and this is where i want to bring in the concept of evolution it seems that evolution hasn't taken care of us with respect to heart failure why if anything evolution i'll read it again seems to have caused us trouble in so far as in the treatment of heart failure we're constantly fighting the body's response to heart failure did you touch on that if so i will be brief in other words in treating heart failure what are we treating a lot of the time we can't make the heart beat stronger we're giving diuretics why are we giving diuretics because the body's retaining sodium right we remember not water sodium why does the body retain sodium su: cardiac output increase circulating volume nm5271: yeah and where's the heart rate su: in the kidney nm5271: kidney right so all the time the kidney is in fact driving the heart mad as it were the heart begins to fail the kidney makes it worse no question about it kidney makes it worse why who can give me a good evolutionary explanation why is there such a a hard wire condition as the heart fails the kidney does something crazy and makes things worse not just sodium retention what else does the kidney do wrong which causes the heart to fail more ss: vasoconstriction nm5271: vasoconstriction system now these two are powerful agents so there must be reason why the kidneys are doing that sm5280: is it an attempt to try and increase loads which then su: yeah it's a compensation nm5271: okay i was waiting for that one alright don't take it personally alright sm5284: because there is there is decreased er blood going to the kidneys nm5271: yeah and i know that i know that and that's which is a sample of what he's saying attempt to increase the blood pressure in other words we're now ascribing some thinking process in kidneys now aren't we really the kidney wants blood as it were the kidney's very selfish it's i would much prefer the other way i would consider a lot of the if you like the cardiovascular control and responses to various injuries as you like it's hard wired in our genes that how our body's supposed to work hard wire in other words the kidney's not choosing the kidney doesn't say ah well i want a bit more blood now the kidney has got reflex acts built in with hypertension under perfusion then it secretes these why give me the best possible explanation why our body's so stupid su: is it because we came from sea nm5271: yeah it goes all the way back when we came from the sea first we're lying horizontal creeping around on the ground next we try to stand up it is a very pure concept the price we pay for for being biped is that we get haemorrhoids we get backache we get strokes we get heart failure we get hypertension it's worrying by having a it seems that really the price we pay for for standing on on two legs is pretty high why because in fact there's yet another worrying thing it depends how this thing on heart failure the kidneys doing this there's another major problem causing heart defects which al-, also goes back to evolutionary turn what causes a heart attack clot in artery coronary artery why would there be c-, clot in the coronary artery why should it be what triggers these very tiny if you like erosion of the coronary artery and need to clot this is crazy what for what's wrong in the homeostatic mechanism in our body has lead to such a catas-, catastrophic event that it leads to a death of the organism it doesn't seem right which part of our body is if you like functioning strangely nm5271: it's a coping system yeah agreed it's a coping system if you cut your fingers the same reaction that stops the bleeding is actually happening inside your coronary artery when this tiny fracture in your endothelium now that's worrying but then which comes first the in the coronary artery or bleeding in the evolution in the human evolution bleeding running away from the tigers and lions getting scratched among the bushes this to the early human beings sorry you talk about mammals for the mammalian species bleeding to death was a big risk hence all this reaction in the hard wire it's quite interesting to look at that because really we're now trying to devote very important drugs to fight an e-, an evolutionary process the present conclusion is that human beings were never really meant to live to seventy eighty ninety we're meant to live to child bearing age bring up that child if we're lucky and die of e-, evolutionary if you like forces and the gene is propagated the species is maintained we're not meant to be grandparents that's all