nf0369: right [0.7] okay [1.1] if we can settle down we need to [0.3] dash on to the next one [12.0] now again some of this is going to be [0.3] revision for you [0.8] because er we touched upon it briefly in musculoskeletal [0.4] er [0. 4] that was last semester i think wasn't it [0.8] and [0.3] it comes up again in clinical pharmacology when we look at bone diseases [1.6] so it's partly revision but we're looking at it from a different aspect today [0.6] so i just want to have a look at what [0.4] what's normal [0.6] a very quick review of calcium homeostasis [1.3] er look at the tissues that are involved but obviously particularly the kidney the kidney's what we're really talking about today so although there's a multitude of tissues involved in calcium homeostasis [0.5] the kidney's the one i'm concentrating on [0.9] and then have a quick look at vitamin D deficiency [0.6] er [1.0] because that's really important when we're considering renal disease [1.8] so if we look at the physiological roles of [0.2] calcium [0.7] we went over this last semester [0. 5] and in that time we were particularly talking about [0.2] bones [0.5] and we're going to be tic-, particularly talking about bones in clinical pharmacology [2.2] that obviously is a long term effect [0.3] calcium homeostasis [0.3] gone wrong [0.6] will affect bones but it has a longer term [0.5] er effect it's not going to happen overnight [0.5] although you can see changes within a fortnight but i-, it's a long process more chronic [0.8] whereas these functions that i've listed here [0.5] are much more rapid and acute [0.6] er in terms of the functions of the calcium [0.4] obviously if you have changes in your nerve function and nerve signalling [0.5] er or muscle contraction [0.4] that'll happen rapidly [0.5] so there are sort of kind of acute and chronic [0.2] consequences of calcium homeostasis being messed up [0. 8] and this one i've just put here just to remind you [0.4] er that one of the roles of calcium is in er blood clotting [0.4] so if you've all your blood tubes or a lot of them have er E-D-T-A in that's simply to collate the calcium and stop the blood that you've taken clotting so that's why E-D-T-A's [0.5] in blood tubes [0.8] but the really important thing is that the levels need to be very tightly regulated [0.5] in order to ensure that all these kind of acute problems don't happen [0. 4] and then longer term the chronic bone problems you need to regulate your calcium levels that are circulating quite closely [1.6] so this is a slide you've had this one before [0.4] but just to remind you [0.3] these are the plasma concentrations [0.4] and this is the normal range here or roughly [0.7] now these numbers that i've put up and the numbers that i've put up on a lot of my slides [0.3] depending on the book you look at they will vary very slightly [0.9] i've got forty-five per cent ionized here and fifty-five per cent bound [0.4] what i tend to do in my numbers is trying to match [0.3] what the namex students get [0.3] but you will find books that'll give you anywhere between forty and fifty here er and alter this accordingly [0.6] it doesn't matter too much again it's roughly fifty-fifty [0.5] er [0.4] but i'll give you the numbers as [0.2] best i can as er to match namex's but just bear in mind thes-, they're not absolute values [0.4] so this is your normal plasma concentration [0.4] that's the range and it's split like this [0. 4] and this is important because it's only the ionized calcium [0.3] that actually has an effect [0.4] what you're really interested in is the amount of ionized calcium that's free in the blood [0.4] or in the plasma [0.6] not the calcium that is bound [0.6] although that has a role to play obviously it's a storage component [0.5] and the flux between bound and [0.3] and free is really important [0.4] and there are issues there [0.5] in terms of physical function it's the ionized calcium that has a role [1.4] but in terms of the kidney it's important to note this is further subdivided you've got some of it bound to plasma proteins [0.3] and this is predominantly albumin [0.3] and you'll see that's important in a minute [0.6] er but some of it's ions so anions you've got bicarb and phosphate and citrate [1.3] er [0.3] and that's important because these get into the kidney [0.8] but er [1.2] forty-five per cent is bound to proteins and can't be filtered [0.9] and this is what we need again figures i've given you already you need a gram if you're a normal person [0.6] if you're pregnant or lactating you need a bit more because obviously you're building up the bones in the child and you need to make milk so you need more calcium [0.5] and if you're old you need more [0.4] and you need more if you're old because you can't absorb it from your gut [0.3] as efficiently [0.7] so although you're taking in more as an elderly person your absorption from the gut [0.3] is decreased so your actual er [0.6] levels usually they're they're deficient elderly people in calcium from what we would normally [0.3] count as normal levels [2.3] so if we look at plasma concentrations or plasma calcium [0. 4] that's what i've told you [0.5] that's what we're really interested in regulating is the free calcium [1.2] when you send blood off to a lab [0.4] it'll send it back as a total calcium concentration you'll get [0.4] two-point- four or two-point-five or whatever it back as as a number [0.5] and that's your total calcium concentration [0.5] and what they've done is they've corrected for albumin [0.6] now okay don't get tied up this is exactly what happens [0.5] er the calculation that's used but you can see they measure the the blood albumin [0.3] as well as the blood calcium [0.9] now this is taken something that any of you going into renal [0.2] fields will find out about there's a renal registry [0.5] renal medicine's quite tightly controlled in Britain [0.4] and er they produce a renal registry which outlines er [0.3] treatment standards how quickly you should be seen if you've got various conditions [0.4] what your [0.3] concentrations of various things should be et cetera it's standardized throughout the country [0.4] and they also list things like [0.3] how the measurements are done in different hospitals because calcium and albumin are measured differently [0.4] depending on which hospital you're working in so there's different there's about three or four assays for them [0.5] different hospitals use different ones [0.6] and as a consequence [0.3] this correction equation [0.3] will vary between hospitals [0.5] now this is kind of like the U-K standard in the renal registry [0.5] if you measure the calcium the way they suggest and the albumin the way they suggest [0.3] then this is the equation they would use [0.5] however the Walsgrave [0.4] just uses a completely different formula it's slightly more complicated so if you see the correction from the Walsgrave from labs [0.3] and it's different to this [0.3] this is why [0.4] but you don't need to know it all you need to know is that you're getting back the total calcium [0.6] and that's important because it can skew your results [1.0] you normally know [0.3] if it's a total calcium and they've corrected for albumin [0.3] in a normal person that's fine [0.4] er it's going to be split in a forty-five fifty-five proportions so you know roughly what your free albumin is [0.4] er free calcium whether normal or not [0.8] if somebody has a disease or a condition where their albumin levels [0.3] are grossly abnormal [0.4] that may skew the results [0.4] so for example if somebody has a very low albumin [0.4] it may come back er [0.4] the total may be [0.2] normal [0.4] but actually the amount you've got bound because your albumin's low [0.4] is low so your free calcium could be significantly higher than you would [0.3] normally expect [0.5] so this happens with a couple of er [0.7] er [0.5] substances that you [0.2] do lab measurements on [0.3] so just bear in mind your total calcium [0.4] may not a normal total calcium may not reflect a normal [0.4] total er free calcium and sometimes you have to bear that in mind [1.3] i've put here can we measure free [0.2] we said you were interested in free why don't we measure free [0.7] it's more difficult is the simple answer [0.6] the assays are more variable between places and people are [0.6] er [0.3] seem to be very divided over this as to whether it actually gives you any great benefit in the average person [0.3] if you think there's a reason why you need free particularly for that patient you might want to request it [0.3] but on the whole [0.3] people think for the time money and the variability it doesn't seem to be worth [0.5] er it doesn't give you a significantly better result [1.1] and i've just put this here [0.6] this is very low remember most of the calcium [0.2] isn't within a cell [0.2] and the calcium that is in a cell [0.3] is complexed to calmodulin and you must keep it very low [0.5] so er [0.3] that's just something to bear in mind that calcium normally is not in cells at all [1.0] so what happens when it goes wrong [1.4] obviously you can have too much or too little [0.6] so [0.2] if we look at hypocalcaemia first [0. 7] generally [0.3] and this is a big generalization this tends to be the more serious condition because it tends to be more acute [0.6] and that's a big they're they're generalizations [0.4] but you'll see from the hypercalcaemia slide [0.7] on the whole it has more chronic er less severe effects [0.9] if you haven't got enough calcium [0.4] it really affects your nerves and er your signalling [0.3] and the muscle function and you get er muscle cramps and tetany [0.7] and long term seizures [0.4] and most of you will be aware of tetany but it's quite [0.3] clear to see here in a wrist you see it in other er [0.9] er [0.7] tissues but the the wrist and the hand are quite normal and that's the er form that it takes basically [0. 3] you're unable your muscles are er contracted and you're unable to [0.8] uncontract them [0.2] for want of a better word [0.5] er [0.3] and that's a symptom of low calcium [0.5] but this is what's important [0.4] you get cardiac arrhythmias [0.8] and then if we look at hypercalcaemia [0.2] in the contrast [0.6] this tends to i said it tends to be slight and variable [0.6] a lot of cases of hypercalcaemia are picked up on routine blood scans [0.2] er tests [0. 4] so normally it sort of often occurs middle-aged women they go for a Well wom- , Well Women Clinic or Well Woman Clinic [0.5] have a blood sample they measure calcium and find their calcium's quite high [0.2] it is a consequence the symptoms [0.2] obviously er are quite minor so [0.4] you've got a ole-, whole range of G-I kind of problems [0.4] they can be a bit depressed tired confused [0.4] but as this is normally a er disease of middle-aged women [0.3] er [0.2] because they often have a parathyroid hormone tumour which we'll see about in a bit [0.5] these sort of symptoms are very similar to menopause type symptoms so you wouldn't really [0.3] er pick up on them [0.4] muscle weakness [0.6] this is [0. 2] a big one [0.7] if it goes on for a long time [0.3] or you're severely hypercalcaemic and you've got far too much calcium [0.3] the calcium will deposit [0.4] and form er solid lumps [0.3] and this either happens in the kidney and forms kidney stones which we'll see about in the next session [0.4] stones aren't only made of calcium there's lots of different types of stones [0. 4] but some of them are made of calcium [0.4] and you get ectopic calcification [0.4] so you can pick up little lumps of calcium on X-rays [0.3] in all sorts of places where you wouldn't expect them throughout the kidneys [0.3] or throughout the body [0.3] so if it goes on for a long long time you're severely hypercalcaemic that's a problem [1.0] but again [0.5] very hypercalcaemic [0.7] very suddenly [0.3] and you have cardiac problems again [1.0] so that's why it's really important if it's an acute [0.4] er situation [0.7] so what do you do the main aims [0.4] if you've got a patient is you want to normalize their calcium [1.4] so if they're hypercalcaemic and i've just put here [0.4] if their levels remember the normal's about two-point-five if the levels are up here [0.3] it's an emergency in terms of heart conditions [0.6] er [0.2] so what you do is you try to flush the calcium out of the system by giving them fluids and making them pee more [0.6] and these treatments here basically refer to the bone conditions [0.4] because [0.3] if you're hypercalcaemic [0.3] most of that calcium's coming from your bone if you remember i told you that in the second year and we'll look at that [0.4] er second semester and we'll look at that in a couple of weeks' time [0.5] so if you can stop the bones losing calcium that will help bring down the calcium level certainly long term [0.4] so these are a more longer term treatment and they affect the bone [0.4] but initially you're going to want to try and flush the calcium certainly flush it out of the system [1.3] and as i said normally it's a parathyroid tumour [0.5] er ninety per cent of the cases unless they're an emergency if it's a chronic hypercalcaemia [0.4] are parathyroid tumours [0.4] and then you may have to consider removing all or some of the parathyroid glands [2.2] if it's hypercal-, hypocalcaemia sorry hypo [0.7] again you've got an acute situation or a chronic [0.6] if it's acute you can simply give them calcium I-V [0.4] and you give them that as er [0.3] calcium gluconate [0.6] if it's chronic [0.5] you want to make certain they've got enough calcium in their diet [0.3] and they're able to reabsorb it or absorb it from their diet properly [0.4] so you give them calcium [0.3] and give them vitamin D and we'll see why they need vitamin D [0.2] a little later [1.0] and i've just put this in P-T-H-R-P [0.4] it's nothing to do with the kidney really or at least not that we know of at the moment [0.6] but because it acts exactly like parathyroid hormone [0.3] and we'll see the effects of that in a couple of slides [0.3] it can make people hypercalcaemic [0.4] so [0.2] but if often occurs when there's malignancy [0.5] so hypercalcaemia and malignancy tend to go hand in hand [0.4] and although there's a number of causes for that [0.4] increased P-T-H-R-P can be one of them [0.4] so you just bear in mind you you may need to look for this [0.9] er the difference is [0.4] er if you've got er [0.2] hyperparathyroidism it won't affect your P-T-H-R-P production [0.6] and likewise er [0.4] you don't see a change in your vitamin D levels so if your vitamin D levels are normal [0.3] but very high calcium [0.5] er and you haven't got a parathyroid tumour it might be worth looking for a tumour elsewhere that's producing P-T-H-R-P [1.7] so this is the slide i've shown you before [0.5] low calcium [0.4] you produce P-T-H that affects the bone [0.2] and the kidney [0.4] the kidney produces vitamin D [1.5] which acts on the bone and the gut and the net effects are increased calcium and feedback to switch the whole system off [0.4] and i've put the kidney in the middle [0.4] not because i think it's the most important but it is quite pivotal to this system [1.1] and if we're looking at calcium homeostasis and the kidney [0. 3] it's basically got three roles [0.7] phosphate i've put here because phosphate and calcium go hand in hand one goes up the other goes down and we've [0.4] talked about that and that's more apparent in the bone lectures [0.6] er so we're not going to discuss it today [0.5] but the other thing it does is it regulates your reabsorption from your filtrate you filter all your calcium more or less [0.3] into your filtrate [0.3] and you want to reabsorb most of it or regulate how much of that you reabsorb [0.4] so the regulation of reabsorption from the filtrate or the occurrence of it [0.3] happens in the kidney [0.6] and it makes vitamin D and vitamin D [0.3] is really important for calcium homeostasis [1.0] so if we look at this [0.5] er your filtered calcium again [0. 6] takes all the free calcium but it also takes the calcium that's bound to the anions [0.3] not the protein-bound [0.2] calcium because obviously that can't be filtered through if it's bound to a protein [0.4] but it does take the ionic bound so you've got about fifty-five per cent getting into the filtrate [0.8] and this is roughly what happens as you go across the nephron so here's a schematic nephron [0.5] and this indicates your calcium concentrations as you go through [0.4] so by the time you get into the thin [0.6] descending loop of Henle nearly all of your calcium's been reabsorbed already [0.4] and most of it happens here [0.4] and you've got a little bit left to be reabsorbed [0.2] throughout this part of the nephron [1.0] so if we put that in context [0.4] you've got at least sixty seventy per cent of your calcium's reabsorbed in the proximal tubule [0.7] most of that happens by simple diffusion [0.4] but there is some active transport [0.2] but we're not going to look at that in great detail [1.7] when we come down here we've got the er loop of Henle between it you get a bit more reabsorbed [0.6] and the distal convoluted tubule now this is interesting because although it's only a small proportion that's reabsorbed here [0.5] this is under active transport and is regulated [0.4] so this is where the P-T-H has a role it can regulate the amount of calcium reabsorbed here [0.4] but you can see you're only talking of regulating a very small proportion so it's [0.3] quite a fine tuning exercise in terms of maintaining your calcium levels [0.4] er from your kidneys [0.5] and then a little bit goes into the collecting duct [0.3] and [0.4] only a small per cent out in urine one to two per cent in urine [0.4] and you can see here you filter this much er per day [0.3] but you reabsorb ninety-eight ninety- nine per cent of that [0.6] so the kidney's really important if it stops reabsorbing calcium [0.4] for any reason you're going to lose your calcium really rapidly [1.2] so what about vitamin D i said the kidney makes vitamin D [0.3] and the reason it's really important in terms of er [0.6] calcium apart from the bones is that it regulates the uptake from the gut [0.5] so i'm going to er go through this quite quickly 'cause it's not a G-I lecture but [0.5] you've got three ways you can take up calcium from the gut [0.4] simple [0.3] er transport between cells [1.2] secondly it gets absorbed in the brush border binds to binding proteins and then is extruded by this er [0.5] A-T-P-ase [1.4] also it goes across the brush border goes into vesicles [0.3] and then er endocytosis gets rid of it at this end [0.3] but the important thing to note is that [0.3] er [0.2] the calcium binding protein is involved in all three cases doesn't matter which mechanism's used you need a calcium binding protein [0.4] to get it across the cell [0.6] and this is regulated by vitamin D [0.5] so vitamin D increases levels of calcium binding protein [0.6] which will effectively allow you to take up more from your gut [0.3] it also alters the permeability of the brush border [0.5] er so it allows more [0.3] er calcium to be [0.2] er [0.2] absorbed through the brush border of the G-I system [0.5] and vitamin D has got some role to play in this regulation of the calcium-sodium exchanger [0.5] so vitamin D regulates the calcium from your diet [1.4] it also is important for bones we've talked about this before and we're going to [0.3] so whether the calcium stays in your bones or is released in the circulation vitamin D has a role in [0.7] and er [0.6] it also regulates er you know when i said P-T-H regulates that small amount of er [0.2] calcium reabsorbed in the [0.2] the gut [0.6] er [0.7] vitamin D will also regulate calcium absorption to a small amount [0.6] but its real importance is regulating bone [0.3] and regulating calcium uptake from the gut [0.7] so how do we make vitamin D and this is really important in terms of kidneys [0.5] so sunlight produces [0.5] somewhere between eighty and ninety per cent of our vitamin D in our sun that's why it's important to get some sunlight [0.5] er [0.2] while balancing that against the risk of skin cancer [1.0] er we get some from our diet and here here the levels of bile salts have a role to play but again that's that's a topic beyond the urinary course [0.7] and the liver activates both these precursor forms [0.3] into twenty-five-hydroxy-vitamin-D-three which is largely inactive [0.4] and you can store that for quite a long time [0.6] and then the kidney [0.4] here has another enzyme that activates it into the active form which is one-twenty-five- [0.3] dihydroxy-vitamin-D-three [0.5] and as clinicians you'll get used to calling it calcitriol [0.8] i try and use that but i i tend to use its real name 'cause obviously that's what i use in research all the time [0.6] and these are the two enzymes that are involved [0.5] they're both hydroxylases the liver has twenty-five-hydroxylase [0.3] and the kidney has one-alpha- hydroxylase [0.3] it's got a much longer name but that'll do for you [0.7] this one er is not regulated and depends on substrate concentrations [0.5] this one is very tightly regulated so you can see defects in either the liver [0.3] or the kidney [0.3] will affect your ability to make vitamin D [2.7] so what's important [0.3] i've just told you that the activity of the twenty-five- hydroxylase isn't regulated [0.4] so if you want to see if somebody is deficient in vitamin D or not [0.3] you can measure the twenty-five-hydroxy- vitamin-D-three levels the circulating substrate form [0.5] and that'll tell you [0.4] er [0.4] their vitamin D status [0.3] [2.6] the one-alpha-hydroxylase conversely [0.3] very tightly regulated only works when you need the active form of vitamin D [0.5] and that's because [0.3] the vitamin d-, the active form of vitamin D [0.3] is so good at [0.4] er [0.3] increasing levels of calcium in your blood [0.3] if you have too much active vitamin D you become hypercalcaemic [0.4] very rapidly [0. 5] and i do touch on this very briefly in the clinical pharmacology lecture [0. 8] er [0.8] so it's very tightly regulated and i've just put here [0.3] all the textbooks will tell you it's only in the kidney [0.4] absolute rubbish couple of years ago we found out that this enzyme now [0.6] all the tissues more or less in the body not [0.3] not every single one but the vast majority are able to make vitamin D [0.4] don't know why yet [0.3] and we don't know what regulates it yet but er [0.9] five years down the line textbooks will be different [0.9] and that's just the normal ranges for your information i'm not going to dwell on that but you can see you've got far greater amounts of twenty- five versus one-twenty-five-D-three [1.8] so what happens why is the kidney important [0.4] apart from regulating the levels of calcium in your blood [0.4] er people with kidney disease can't make vitamin D [1.3] that's sometimes because their kidneys are not functioning at all er they have no effect whatsoever but if the kidneys are just not working quite as well as normal [0.3] then their ability to make vitamin D will be attenuated [0.4] [1.3] if they can't make vitamin D [0.3] obviously they become vitamin D deficient [0.4] you don't absorb calcium from your gut [0.5] you don't reabsorb it from your bone and you become hypocalcaemic [0.6] this then activates the parathyroid glands to produce P-T-H [0.8] the P-T-H [0.6] then [0.7] will act on bone to release calcium [0.5] but it will also try and act on the kidney to stimulate vitamin D production [0.2] but remember your kidneys are knackered for one reason or another [0.4] so the vitamin D production doesn't go up [0.7] so you're still hypocalcaemic [0.2] because there's no vitamin D [0.4] so the only place the P-T-H can act is on the bone [0.6] so the bone P-T-H system kind of goes into overdrive [0.3] you reabsorb more and more and more bone to try and normalize your calcium levels [0.4] the consequences are [0.5] you get really bad bone disease [0.8] er [1.2] and that [0.2] if it's caused because of er [0.2] kidney disease it's known as renal osteodystrophy [0.4] in terms of phenotype it's very similar to osteoporosis [0. 6] er and this is a real problem [0.4] this secondary hyperparathyroidism [0.5] so the the [0.3] parathyroid glands [0.3] don't switch off 'cause there's no vitamin D to act as a negative feedback [0.5] it's almost impossible to normalize your calcium plasma calcium levels [0.3] so that doesn't feed back to switch off P-T-H production [0.3] and the gland goes into overdrive producing more and more P-T-H [0.3] which only acts on the bone [0.4] so you get severe bone disease [0.4] and this is a real problem with anybody with renal disease [0.9] so these are the things to take home this is revision [0.7] calcium homeostasis basically you've got three main hormones we haven't talked about calcitonin today [0.4] i'll do in a couple of weeks [0.5] and er [0.6] three tissues [0.3] er four tissues sorry you've got gut and bone put there together [0.4] so four tissues three hormones [0.9] this is important to remember later in the the module doesn't come up now [0.5] but the most of the calcium that you eat [0.4] we excrete [0. 6] whereas nearly all of the phosphate that you ingest [0.2] we retain [0.8] er or you absorb rather you don't [0.2] retain it you absorb it so when you're looking at the [0.2] G-I uptake [0.4] most calcium [0.5] is excreted straightaway in faeces whereas all the phosphate is absorbed [0.3] and that will become apparent why that's important later on [1.2] okay so the kidney's important 'cause it reabsorbs most of the filtered calcium and makes vitamin D [0.7] and vitamin D we've just gone over [1.5] a hyperparathyroidism [1.0] now this is er [0.5] something that comes up in the group work and something you'll get used to [0.4] as you go through the module [0.8] but there's three forms of hyperparathyroidism [0.8] now remember i said most er [0.2] hypercalcaemia presents with a sort of middle-aged woman [0.5] er in a routine blood test and she's probably got a tumour [0.9] now that's primary hyperparathyroidism [0.4] the parathyroid glands [0.3] are producing too much P-T-H on their own [0.9] now in that case [0.4] you have er [0.4] too much P-T-H [0.4] the kidneys respond normally producing more vitamin D [0.5] er the bones respond to release calcium [1.1] that all produces an increase in calcium in the plasma [0.4] but because it's coming from a tumour there's no negative feedback system working [0.6] so you go on and on [0.2] producing more calcium [0.5] er hence hypercalcaemia [1.2] and that's [0.2] relatively simple you can whip some of the parathyroids out [2.1] secondary hyperparathyroidism was the one we've just talked about where the system can't work [0.4] so there's no negative feedback so the parathyroid glands go on producing [0.4] er P-T-H [0.5] and eventually they er become desensitized as we'll see [0.7] now this is i've put vitamin D deficiency here but it's usually is a consequence of renal disease it's not somebody who's just not [0.5] er [0. 4] vitamin D deficient and developing rickets it's a renal problem really [0.5] and in that case you've got low or normal plasma calcium whereas they're high here [1.0] and the last one is tertiary hyperparathyroidism [0.4] and this is really quite specialized [0.5] er this is a er [0.6] consequence of renal disease [0.6] but it's a er [0.2] a continuation of secondary hyperparathyroidism [0.6] when there's no feedback [0.3] er to switch the parathyroid glands off they go on producing P-T-H [0.6] and they become insensitive to calcium levels and vitamin D the receptor levels drop [0.6] they also sometimes become hyperplastic so you get more cells [0.4] er bigger parathyroid glands [0.3] producing more P-T-H [0. 4] so the consequences are completely unregulated P-T-H production [0.6] remember you've got kidneys that can't respond normally [0.6] er [0.4] so you get er [0.2] loads and loads and loads of reabsorption from your bone so you get really bad bone disease [0.3] but in that case as well you usually have high plasma calcium [0.7] but [0.2] this h-, plasma calcium which would normally shut off P-T-H production can't because the gland's lost all its natural [0.5] er [0.5] mechanisms for feedback [1.7] oh i'll leave that slide up at the end in a minute 'cause i realize you haven't got that one 'cause that was an addition [0.6] this one at the end i'm not going through it's kind of a pictorial representation of secondary hyperparathyroidism [0.5] and the problems associated with kidney disease [0.6] it's er [0.3] it's really important you know calcium homeostasis er goes up the creek if you've kidney disease [0.7] so that's all i've got to say now er [0.4] 'cause i know we're running slightly probably any questions either come and see me or see me in the group work [0.5] and er i'll just leave that one up for you to copy down [0.4] while i get namex sorted out for the next lecture